Controversial Vehicle Opinions

[ThatJeepGuy]

Not soo easy one.... all newly manufactured vehicles should be governed at 85mph

[DirtyComanche]

19 minutes ago, ThatJeepGuy said:

Not soo easy one.... all newly manufactured vehicles should be governed at 85mph

Why?

[ThatJeepGuy]

6 minutes ago, DirtyComanche said:

Why?

Tell my why not... whats the national highest speed limit? I believe its 85mph and if thats the case then whats the reason to justify anyone going faster than that?

[eaglescout526]

55 minutes ago, ThatJeepGuy said:

Tell my why not... whats the national highest speed limit? I believe its 85mph and if thats the case then whats the reason to justify anyone going faster than that?

 

1 hour ago, ThatJeepGuy said:

Not soo easy one.... all newly manufactured vehicles should be governed at 85mph

Actually I agree with this. Cars should go back to being underpowered gas sippers that can do 0-60 in 14+ seconds and trucks and SUVs should just be torque/towing rigs rather than these unnecessary muscle trucks capable of doing 100+ for no reason at all. Ive seen folks be very reckless doing 80+ weaving in and out of lanes for no real reason other than to endanger others on the road. 

[DirtyComanche]

1 hour ago, ThatJeepGuy said:

Tell my why not... whats the national highest speed limit? I believe its 85mph and if thats the case then whats the reason to justify anyone going faster than that?

No idea what the highest legal speed limit is in the USA.  However, you sound a lot like you hate apple pie, bald eagles, and freedom.

 

I worked at a company where all of the trucks were governed to lower than the factory setting (most GM vehicles govern at 100mph from the factory).  It was at the request of one of our main clients, specifically their safety department.  They made the logical "correlation equals causation" type conclusion that speed was a factor in the majority of auto accidents (reality is that the majority are either doing well over, or well under, the speed of traffic, "speed was a factor" is a statement that is improperly interpreted to mean "high speed was a factor") and therefore restricting speed would restrict all accidents.  Those trucks were downright dangerous to drive given what the typical usage of them was.  You would regularly be attempting to pass an ore or fuel Super-B, fully decked out ADR, 53' motorhome driven by somebody older than nuclear energy, or [insert whatever large vehicle that's going 20-30% under the speed limit] in places where there was no passing lanes and only very short stretches where passing was at all possible.  This was because we typically would drive for 10-12 hours a day as our coverage area was larger than 90% of countries in the world, and you could not accept that you would be delayed by such a large factor, passing was just necessary, and you certainly weren't the only one doing it.  There was several scenarios that would play out.  The least worrying was you would pull out to pass, hit the governor, then proceed to pucker your rearmost lips for the next 10-15 seconds as you were trapped on the wrong side of the road and unable to accelerate more.  Sometimes you'd realize you did not have the required safe distance once this happened, and have to abort passing, sometimes somewhat aggressively.  Much worse was when you would pull out to pass and the person behind you, who was also waiting for the chance to do this, would follow you.  Best case you could see them mouthing curse words at you when you hit the governor and effectively trapped both them and you in that oncoming lane, much worse was when you realized there was not going to be time and had to initiate aborting the pass and hope they realized you were doing that and also got on the brakes enough for both of you to make it back to safety.  Much, much, much worse was when multiple vehicles would follow you.  The other infuriating scenario, which applied particularly when you had a service trailer, was when you encountered the special type of person who would speed up when you tried to pass them.  Given you were governed, it wasn't hard for them to make it impossible for you to get by them.  You would also get your prairie drivers, who would drive exceptionally slow in all of the curved and narrow areas where you could not pass, but would immediately boot it when they hit the familiar embrace of straight blacktop; to pass those people you really need the top end.

 

The reality is modern vehicles are very fast, and very comfortable at those speeds.  My wife's suburban will do 80mph all day regardless of the type of road as long as it's reasonable weather conditions, and it will corner better and stop faster from those speeds than any 1980s vehicle.  For it to do 85+ safely on a flat straight divided highway is not asking anything of it.  Technology has come a long way, along with crash survivability.  Traffic in all jurisdictions (that I've encountered) typically flows at 10-30% over the speed limit.  You're safest doing the speed of traffic, and you're safest when passing to do it as concisely as possible.  You may be resistant to change, but you're not going to roll the clock back.

 

Also, this is why I don't daily a 1980's vehicle anymore.  I will in the summer around town, but it just doesn't cut it on the modern highway.  I'm not going to demand that everyone else change for me, that's selfish, and a lot like hating apple pie.

[DirtyComanche]

1 hour ago, eaglescout526 said:

 

Actually I agree with this. Cars should go back to being underpowered gas sippers that can do 0-60 in 14+ seconds and trucks and SUVs should just be torque/towing rigs rather than these unnecessary muscle trucks capable of doing 100+ for no reason at all. Ive seen folks be very reckless doing 80+ weaving in and out of lanes for no real reason other than to endanger others on the road. 

They're going to do that anyway, unless you're going to ban performance modifications and altering factory tuning or settings.

[ThatJeepGuy]

 

5 hours ago, DirtyComanche said:

 

No idea what the highest legal speed limit is in the USA.  However, you sound a lot like you hate apple pie, bald eagles, and freedom.

 

Also, this is why I don't daily a 1980's vehicle anymore.  I will in the summer around town, but it just doesn't cut it on the modern highway.  I'm not going to demand that everyone else change for me, that's selfish, and a lot like hating apple pie.

 

Honestly this was the only part I read....

 

I don't hate freedom and I don't live in the 80s era for daily driving

[ThatJeepGuy]

5 hours ago, DirtyComanche said:

They're going to do that anyway, unless you're going to ban performance modifications and altering factory tuning or settings.

 

I'm in no argument for banning performance work and tuning. This is just a safeguard from the simple idiots with lead feet

[watchamakalit]

I think we would be better to remove all restrictions and let natural selection play a role. 

[75sv1]

I guess most of you haven't had to deal with 'Rolling Coal'?

[AnotherOldJeepGuy]

11 hours ago, DirtyComanche said:

Agree.

 

And they should have offered a 2 door on the same or shorter (4dr JL) wheelbase.  It wouldn't sell great, but the R&D wouldn't have cost much, and there is a market for it that's currently being mostly taken by the Canyon/Colorado (at least here).

I'd buy one (are any Jeep influencers listening ....)

[Ωhm]

8 hours ago, DirtyComanche said:

However, you sound a lot like you hate apple pie, bald eagles, and freedom.

 

Same words used with safety belts, helmets and guns. I think they're trying to make me feel bad.

[Gojira94]

10 hours ago, DirtyComanche said:

you would pull out to pass, hit the governor, then proceed to pucker your rearmost lips for the next 10-15 seconds

 

Mechanical governors that limit throttle travel are incredibly stupid for exactly the reasons you stated. However, maximum speed settings in a PCM/ECM/ECU work VERY well. No effect on acceleration capabilities, just a fuel cut when a speed value in hexadecimal is reached. One example -  GM speed limited their 93-02 F-Body cars to 117MPH with zero negative effects unless you wanted to go past that 117MPH barrier. They used 2 values for fuel cut and fuel resume. All the ones I've tuned I set the value to 255, the hex & binary max values, so no limit. But it could easily be set to 130, 90, 85, whatever. Still holds true for almost any EFI car/ truck sold today.

[Smokeyyank]

4 hours ago, 75sv1 said:

I guess most of you haven't had to deal with 'Rolling Coal'?

 

Nothing screams small p p energy more than some twat waffle in a brodozer doing this. While I don't agree with over regulation for the auto industry this is one I would be all for. Stupid AF. 

[ThatJeepGuy]

1 hour ago, Smokeyyank said:

 

Nothing screams small p p energy more than some twat waffle in a brodozer doing this. While I don't agree with over regulation for the auto industry this is one I would be all for. Stupid AF. 

 

Thankfully that is a fad that has more soo came and went from our community. There is Absolutely still the bro's and their super groups doing their thing but on the week to week basis in my city/highway driving (roughly 60 miles round trip everyday for work) I maybe come across 2 trucks with the dumpster tips almost touching the ground and there's enough excess but not excessive coal/exhaust to say "ooh they let out a little chooch"

[derf]

2 hours ago, Smokeyyank said:

 

Nothing screams small p p energy more than some twat waffle in a brodozer doing this. While I don't agree with over regulation for the auto industry this is one I would be all for. Stupid AF. 

I wish they would enforce the laws about this a little better around here.  It's not common but there are enough to be annoying.

 

Now, if you have a performance tune that burns clean-ish, I'm okay with that.  Especially if you live in the middle of nowhere.  But around Denver, with poor air quality, I'd like to see the brodozers dialed back.

[Smokeyyank]

1 hour ago, derf said:

I wish they would enforce the laws about this a little better around here.  It's not common but there are enough to be annoying.

 

Now, if you have a performance tune that burns clean-ish, I'm okay with that.  Especially if you live in the middle of nowhere.  But around Denver, with poor air quality, I'd like to see the brodozers dialed back.

I agree, you get it worse because of being close to Parker/ Elizabeth area. Like a incubator out there for them. 

[derf]

3 minutes ago, Smokeyyank said:

I agree, you get it worse because of being close to Parker/ Elizabeth area. Like a incubator out there for them. 

Yep, West Kansas (east of the front range) is definitely a shift in the demographic.

[DirtyComanche]

4 hours ago, Gojira94 said:

 

Mechanical governors that limit throttle travel are incredibly stupid for exactly the reasons you stated. However, maximum speed settings in a PCM/ECM/ECU work VERY well. No effect on acceleration capabilities, just a fuel cut when a speed value in hexadecimal is reached. One example -  GM speed limited their 93-02 F-Body cars to 117MPH with zero negative effects unless you wanted to go past that 117MPH barrier. They used 2 values for fuel cut and fuel resume. All the ones I've tuned I set the value to 255, the hex & binary max values, so no limit. But it could easily be set to 130, 90, 85, whatever. Still holds true for almost any EFI car/ truck sold today.

Limited through programing, not a mechanical governor.  You'd pull out while putting the 400+HP of a stock Duramax to work and instantly hit the programmed limit, actually it was a bit worse, you'd blow through the limit and then it would cut power hard so it would come down to the limit and normally undershoot.  You would feel yourself slowing down while beside them like if you had experienced a mechanical failure.  It was great, best experience of my life.

 

They limited them to 75mph.  At the time their justification was that was the highest speed limit so "you would still be able to pass anyone who was going under the speed limit."  The net result as far as reducing incidents?  Well, the incident rate went up.  Maybe not because of this, but it certainly was no silver bullet for eliminating them.  The crappy drivers are still going to be crappy drivers.  You could still drive 75mph on glare ice if you wanted, or next to a residential school.

[Smokeyyank]

38 minutes ago, DirtyComanche said:

The crappy drivers are still going to be crappy drivers.  You could still drive 75mph on glare ice if you wanted, or next to a residential school.

 

Exactly, need to get some more Darwin award contestants and the regulations aren't helping. 

[Gojira94]

5 hours ago, DirtyComanche said:

10 hours ago, Gojira94 said:

Limited through programing, not a mechanical governor. 

So they really screwed the pooch with a horrible tune method. Someone worked really hard on that and only succeeded in endangering lives. SMH…

[ThatJeepGuy]

How about breathalyzers and Gforce monitors for all drivers 16-25?

 

Or the option for them and the back end would be manageable insurance rates/discounts...

 

I'm aware how I believe its progressive that has the dongle if you keep it in your vehicle and prove your not a wild driver you get a discount. 

 

Breth test would be purely there to annoy and hopefully instill the younger crowd away from drunk driving or driving under the influence.

 

I'm all for the natural selection of the very simple minded but when the stupid decisions of others wind up taking the lives of others not involved - pretty unfortunate

[pizzaman09]

On 3/10/2026 at 8:19 PM, DirtyComanche said:

Agree.

 

And they should have offered a 2 door on the same or shorter (4dr JL) wheelbase.  It wouldn't sell great, but the R&D wouldn't have cost much, and there is a market for it that's currently being mostly taken by the Canyon/Colorado (at least here).

This so much!  If I could buy a 2 door truck based on the 4dr JL platform with the Pentastar and a manual, I'd buy it immediately.  I considered a 4 door Gladiator, and after sitting in one at a dealership, I decided it was too long and had too small of a bed.

[derf]

14 minutes ago, pizzaman09 said:

This so much!  If I could buy a 2 door truck based on the 4dr JL platform with the Pentastar and a manual, I'd buy it immediately.  I considered a 4 door Gladiator, and after sitting in one at a dealership, I decided it was too long and had too small of a bed.

I'd avoid the pentastar and manual.  The engine lacks low end torque and needs short (high number) gears to really be usable.  And the manual has really bad history, especially with the shoddy clutch design.

 

If they put a better engine and transmission, with a decent clutch in it, I would absolutely love a 2 door Gladiator.

[89 MJ]

19 minutes ago, pizzaman09 said:

This so much!  If I could buy a 2 door truck based on the 4dr JL platform with the Pentastar and a manual, I'd buy it immediately.  I considered a 4 door Gladiator, and after sitting in one at a dealership, I decided it was too long and had too small of a bed.

 

Just now, derf said:

I'd avoid the pentastar and manual.  The engine lacks low end torque and needs short (high number) gears to really be usable.  And the manual has really bad history, especially with the shoddy clutch design.

 

If they put a better engine and transmission, with a decent clutch in it, I would absolutely love a 2 door Gladiator.

The other problem is the price! New Wranglers are absolutely ridiculous in price. From what I've seen, you can't even touch a Rubicon for less than $50k for the most part. When the JLs first came out, I want to say that the base price was somewhere around $29k. Now the base price is closer to $39k from what I've found.