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6 minutes ago, billyblankss said:

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Sorry man that looks like no fun 

 

it's not mine.  just a random pic from the internets. :L:   but it inspired me to go check the oil levels in the Jeep, that's for sure. :D   I wonder what it sounded like in those last couple miles...  :crazy:

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Here’s another interesting one for you. Happened late this winter. We’re not 100% on what happened, but it looks like a couple studs may have broken off, or the nuts came loose and spun themselves off, then the wobbling wheels snapped studs or ripped the remaining studs out of the hub, landed on the hub, and sliced it in half. That or the sequence of events was started by the brake drum exploding, it’s tough to say because everything was so mangled... but we never did find the flange that broke off the drum.
The driver didn’t notice anything was wrong until he saw smoke, then as he was pulling over the axle shaft started sliding out, probably due to the brakes grabbing what was left of the drum and taking weight off the end of the shaft. He emptied his extinguisher on the puddle of burning gear oil.81B1C4A7-9636-4E69-8158-0C593F645E90.jpeg.c64dd51a5db2d7f06110c5688a171fac.jpeg5143015D-2528-44CF-B77B-0E650FB97069.jpeg.d79cd69eea67ac50741fc9e826ebed5e.jpeg48C21790-52BA-4172-BFED-17415B692AC9.jpeg.9ceee136f10afbbe8178d71f89b14335.jpeg8C39182A-39CD-4BA8-B738-0ED157C8D556.jpeg.520688692a8656ab7e3cec1e8b18d77f.jpeg985AFEC0-E518-4358-8162-78A81427B91D.jpeg.3965ef5d25af8fd3c13572caa4b7caac.jpeg

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The truck in question is the sister to the one in the photo, same truck but with a wing plow on the ditch side, which may have been part of why the driver didn’t notice anything. The wing makes some noise bouncing around, and obstructs the driver’s view down that side of the truck somewhat. That truck has had a pretty crazy streak of luck. In its four years of service, it’s been involved in four collisions with other vehicles that were the other driver’s fault (four more than any of our other trucks in the same time period) and needed to have the frame straightened twice. It’s gone partway down a 200’ near-cliff after the wing caught something and steered it over the edge, and needed a crane to go fishing for it. It’s also been struck by lightning. But it had been behaving itself pretty well this winter up until that happened. One of the more catastrophic failures I’ve seen in the shop in terms of broken metal.

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23 minutes ago, gogmorgo said:

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The truck in question is the sister to the one in the photo, same truck but with a wing plow on the ditch side, which may have been part of why the driver didn’t notice anything. The wing makes some noise bouncing around, and obstructs the driver’s view down that side of the truck somewhat. That truck has had a pretty crazy streak of luck. In its four years of service, it’s been involved in four collisions with other vehicles that were the other driver’s fault (four more than any of our other trucks in the same time period) and needed to have the frame straightened twice. It’s gone partway down a 200’ near-cliff after the wing caught something and steered it over the edge, and needed a crane to go fishing for it. It’s also been struck by lightning. But it had been behaving itself pretty well this winter up until that happened. One of the more catastrophic failures I’ve seen in the shop in terms of broken metal.

 

Now that’s impressive!

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This reminds me of an old work story.

 

Years ago I was 2nd shift lead/road tech for a contract maintenance shop for a trucking company. One day we get a call a trailer had some blow-outs, fairly par for the course. I loaded 2 trailer tires into the back of our crap 96 F150 and hauled well over an hour from the shop, swapped the tires, and started heading back to the shop. I got roughly a mile and a half away from the shop on I-77 and hear an awful whining noise start. It got so loud so quickly I pulled to the emergency lane within 30 seconds of it starting.

 

Good thing I pulled over too. As soon as all my tires crossed over the emergency lane line the rear end locks up. Luckily I was only going 30ish and there was a good amount of weight over the rear tires. I get out and examine the damage and the rear axle is smoking like Snoop on a Saturday night. So I call my boss and tell him what's up. He responds with:

 

"Let it cool off and see if it'll drive"

"Woody, there's no way I'm driving this thing back to the shop."

"Well let it cool off and if it doesn't move after 30 mins call me back."

 

So since I was being paid by the hour at that moment, we were typically bill rate except for road work, I waited the 30 minutes. No go. Call him back and he says wait it out some more. Mind you I had already spent about four hours on the road call before the rear end locked up. I waited another hours and sure enough, it didn't move. He finally relents and says he'll call a wrecker. Get a call from the wrecker guy a little later and he says he's gonna be at least two hours cause he's in a different state. I ended up waiting on the side of the road longer than actually doing the road call. Took the wrecker all of 5 minutes to get me back to the shop lol.

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So since this topic is being discussed - I just put a new rear driveshaft in and decided to take off the diff and clean the gears and what not (Dana 35). I put in a quart of gear oil and then realized i didn't have enough so i drove to the store and put another 3/4 quart in - it sounded fine and wasn't far but looking back I wasn't sure if that was ok or not oh well. Anyway, the topic of new aftermarket diff covers is on my mind because i sheared off the head of one of the diff cover bolts. But there seems to be no consensus on how much gear oil to put in with a bigger aftermarket Diff. I've heard both arguments - fill it til it drips, or only fill it with factory recommended amount. 

 

Thoughts? 

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I've got three points for ya billy:

  1. Its fine to drive with it slightly low for a short distance at lows speeds
  2. Even if you ruined it, its only a D35. So no worries. If it does act up at any point, R&R it with a Ford 8.8, Chry 8.25, Isuzu 44, etc.
  3. Till it drips. Although I am not sure why a broken bolt leads you to a new cover? Just drill out the threaded part, run a tap in the hole to clean it up, buy a new bolt, and put it back together like factory. Unless I am missing something else?
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That's freakin crazy.  Let this be a lesson to always carry a fire extinguisher!!  You never know what could end up on fire. 

 

Last Monday I went to test drive a truck, followed an old crown Vic into town decked out as a wide load pilot vehicle, he obviously was on a break of some kind as he was alone.  After my test drive I left the dealership and noticed billowing black smoke a half block away.  Sure enough in the Theisens parking lot was that crown Vic and the entire front half was engulfed in flames.  The unlucky guy was likely quite a ways from home as well.

 

I only got a crappy Snapchat video driving by so no real good pictures.  Cops were showing up so I just stayed out of the way.

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In actuality, for all of the diffs we use, as long as the level is within one inch of the fill hole, it's full, as the fluid needs expansion room. Also a good reason to make sure your axle vents are not blocked and the hoses go all the way underhood and are not cracked anywhere along its length. To check the level, take a zippy tie, bend the flat end so that it's 90° and one inch. Insert into the hole and hold horizontally at the bottom of the hole for the reading. No fluid on the end, add fluid. If the fluid is very dark or has water mixed in, service it immediately. Don't forget friction modifier if it has an LS diff.

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On 7/20/2020 at 11:39 PM, FrankTheDog said:

An alternative to the zip tie is the first joint of your index finger. Rest the joint on the edge of the hole and bend your finger in.

The draw back to this method is that now you have stink finger.

 

My fingers are way too big, and I hate the smell anyway. Even the Dana fill holes in the covers are too small.

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