Blue88Comanche Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I just turned 21 and i am in the process of getting my Pistol/concealed carried permit. Currently I am looking at a 9mm Sig 226, .40 cal Sig 228, .380 cal P238 and a .40 cal Glock 23 at the local pawn shops. All the guns are under 500 dollars but if i get a Glock I will spend a little extra to get a new Gen. 4 model 23. I don't really want to start up another caliber war, so that said I am just asking opinions about the Guns themselves, personal experience, and so on... I personally Like the Sigs, they have an external hammer and a de-cocking lever, and they all come with a safety lever. Dad owns a .380 Cold Mustang Pocketlite and I like it a lot its easy to conceal, Sig now produces the Colt Mustang as the P238. I have used Glocks and think they are a great firearm that will keep ticking about as long as our 4.0s. Glock is nice that it is simple, point and shoot, but my only turn off is no real safety. I also looked at some S&W and H&K .40 cal pistols but they did not "feel right". Another I looked at and handled was a .40 cal. Walter PPS, it felt good but it had a limited magazine capacity. The only pistols I have shot are 9mm Glock 19, .40 Glock 22, and .380 Colt Mustang Pocketlite (Sig makes it as the P238), so my first hand knowledge is fairly limited. Thanks for your thoughts and opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnkyboy Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I figure any big name gun is going to perform well so get the one the fits you the best,doesn't matter how good a gun is if it doesn't feel right. Also when looking its good to consider ammo cost if your gonna shoot a lot. My .380 cost about double what my 9mm cost for ammo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86customanche Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 The gun will only shoot as good as the shooter. I have a WWII walther p38 9mm and love it. It really is up to you and what you feel comfortable with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJRemi Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 What is the main purpose of the pistol? Concealed carry, home protection, or target? For CCW I would go with a Glock 27 (40 cal) or Colt Defender (45 cal). For home protection, go with something that has maximum stopping power but is simple to operate. Under extreme stress, you don't want anything complicated. For plinking, get a 9mm since ammo is cheap and it can be used for protection if you don't mind having to put multiple rounds into the bad guy in order to stop them. Whatever you decide, get very proficient with the weapon and go shooting every few months to stay that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimoshel Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I have 14 handguns in my locker. My favorite, and preferred is the colt model 1911 .45. I have 3 of them, Maybe the fact I carried one for 13 years in the military bias my judgement. But the fact that it is one reliable and dependable fire arm helps. I would want something a little smaller for concealed carry. I wouldn't carry anything smaller than a .40 caliber for stopping power. Talking guns is like talking women or cars. Everybody has their personal preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 The gun will only shoot as good as the shooter. I have a WWII walther p38 9mm and love it. It really is up to you and what you feel comfortable with. I have five handguns. My favorite all-around is the P38. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86customanche Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 The gun will only shoot as good as the shooter. I have a WWII walther p38 9mm and love it. It really is up to you and what you feel comfortable with. I have five handguns. My favorite all-around is the P38. :cheers: I havent shot many different ones and would like to get one of those 1911s :thumbsup: but the p38 is great, especially since my grandfather got it off of a dead nazi officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sir Sam Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I'd buy whichever one made me fell less insecure about my small penis. That or a bright yellow hummer, instead of my bright yellow jeep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 1911s are wonderful. Brothe and father both have one. I have a Ruger P90 (.45) most people don't like them but I can get a good group and it feels comfortable. I would go with whatever fits you the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HOrnbrod Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Owning a pistol is not penile compensation. Owning a pistol is like having an insurance policy that you don't have to pay for every month. Now there are always extremes that start to lead into compensating in everything, IE over kill lifted trucks that are on the road, super fast expensive cars, and of course a dirty harry pistol. But then again super fast expensive cars start to look very phallic and this is why I draw the common conceived notion of compensation regarding cars. Penile compensation is best satisfied by motorcycles, not any of the above. But that's another topic. "Getting ready to buy my first Pistol" is this topic. :popcorn: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I carry a 9mm beretta model 92 when it suits me. prefer a gun that I can remove a mag on for transport, even with my cc permit. Not a good thing to have a loaded gun in a vehicle, chambered or not. Good gun. Imo, though...a .22 will still do alot of damage and is cheap. Just so happens that I got a deal on the 9mm. A larger.cal gun is nice, but overkill (and expensive) But I guess you can't really put a price on self protection The important thing is to practice at the range, and to be intimately comfortable with any weapon you own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 glocks safety is that you don't carry it with a round chambered and you rack the round to fire and kill... keep in mind the glock is the qa with out a decocker, so the hammer is partially cocked. they say it doesnt have enough force to fire the pin, however we picked one up that was used and abused by an officer probably 200,000 rounds and you could rack a round and slam the but of the gun into the bench and it would fire. yeah it lasted 200,000 rounds a huge guess and probably exaggerated by the officer we just dumped the gun asap didn't even bother to rebuild etc. Sold it to a gunsmith who wanted a project. Also as far as glocks go, the factory barrels suck. My father likes glock (i have know idea why i think because they were cheap when he got them). needless to say hes had a 23c, 17, 19, 27. we've blown up both barrels in the 23c and 27. they're both 40s&W glock would not replace them because they said the breech was not covered if they felt you used hot ammo. ie +p etc... well we had not but of course they said they did, now both have i think cougar barrels with aftermarket springs and they're almost as accurate as my keltec p3at (ie i could hit the broad side of a barn at 15 feet) I have to say the beretta 92fs is the most accurate gun for first time shooters. and is fairly inexpensive. taurus warranty is awesome.. we bought a used and abused taurus and they warrantied it with out question.. gun is inexpensive and sloppy but this means usually reliable ie military spec. loose so if dirty it fires. where my kimber is so tight that a grain of sand will just about stop the gun from firing hence why it is not my ccw. :doh: Amazingly incorrect. The safety feature of the Glock is the two-piece trigger that makes it harder to accidentally pull the trigger. However, the main safety feature of any gun is the user. If you cannot be trusted to not fire a weapon you should not have the weapon. Period. How many "safeties" do you need for a revolver? :thumbsup: And besides, a semi-auto with no round in the chamber is a 2 pound club, not a firearm. How many police officers ( of the hundreds of thousands worldwide) do you think carry their Glock either openly or concealed without a round in the chamber? :nuts: I'll bet that the claimed barrel failures were from someone buying re-loads or packing their own re-loads "hot" and then playing the " the ammo wasn't labled as "P" song. The other factor is cheapo re-loaders re-using the brass casings. This allows the actual projectile to seat too far into the cartridge which compresses the powder ("overpressure" loads) and increases the "explosion" for lack of a better word. Decades ago when I played with the re-loading game "once-fired" brass sold at a premium for a reason: reputable reloaders would not use tired casings because they are dangerous. A Glock firing good ammo is good to go for hundreds of thousands of rounds safely. Buying a used gun with no real knowledge of its history assures that the person suffering the alleged failure has no idea what type of loads had been run through it before even if they aren't using re-loads themselves.(still betting on re-loads myself, though.) As to choice: go someplace that rents guns, or borrow one of each that you are considering, and decide for yourself. No one's preference should be your preference without testing. I prefer Glocks, having carried some version or another for over 25 years in many fashions both openly and concealed. It is a very simple, very reliable,very accurate with no need for "customization" like many famous high dollar pistols (afraid to carry it because a speck of dirt will render it equal to a hammer??), and very safe handgun. I have fired tens of thousands of rounds through a couple of them ( 22 & 27) without a hitch...far far more than the average gun owner will ever fire. I have seen specimens with hundreds of thousands of rounds ( all factory loaded 40 S&W rounds) put through them function flawlessly. The Glock is a perfectly safe weapon. If a cop accidentally shoots himself it is in the news nationwide most of the time. Hear of that very often? Glocks are ideal for people who are not really "gun nuts" who fiddle and clean their weapons whether used or not. They are very forgiving of inattention and even of outright abuse. I have personally seen one frozen in a bucket of water for a week & then thawed and it worked perfectly. I have seen them purposely run over with cars and they worked flawlessly. I have seen one dug out of mud and fired without a glitch with only the barrel cleared. There is a large body of info about how well they handle the neglect that renders the "sexy" guns useless. Do not buy a Glock (despite the way that it fills its purpose perfectly) because anyone suggests it, though. Try it and research it or any gun yourself. Some folks rely on the easy SA trigger pull to make up for a lack of accuracy in DA. Just learn to shoot and the DA-only is great. Doing away with the SA and they way outdated "cocked and locked" carry method increases the safety factor more than another mechanical safety would and is one less thing to worry about in a true SHTF scenario. It also eliminates the need for a decocking lever which is just another thing to snag when trying draw from concealment. The Berrtta 9 series, and particularly the 9mm 92, has a history of serious longevity issues, primarily the slide breaking with sometimes catastrophic results. As the 92F is a 9mm and you wanted a 40 S&W you would want a 96 version anyway. ;) If you need a safety "in case the kids find it" you have already failed as a gun owner. Remember my revolver comment? I hope you aren't relying too heavily on answers to a posting on a fairly small membership JEEP board for such an important (and relatively pricey) decision. There is a lot of good info out there. Good luck with your search! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW86 Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 for a carry pistol i lucked out on my local jeep club and got a beretta 21a .22 for a smoking deal. perfect for a back pocket and easy as hell to use/clean. out of all i own that is the one i always go for when going on a small trip or into a bad part of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camjeep3 Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Whatever you do shoot the gun before you buy it. it may look and feel good to you, but as soon as you point it at a target and pull the trigger that may change. Dad bought a ruger lcr, never shot it. The reason he got it was for mom, after one time at the range he traded the gun to a friend. Something to think about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blue88Comanche Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 What is the main purpose of the pistol? Concealed carry, home protection, or target? For CCW I would go with a Glock 27 (40 cal) or Colt Defender (45 cal). For home protection, go with something that has maximum stopping power but is simple to operate. Under extreme stress, you don't want anything complicated. For plinking, get a 9mm since ammo is cheap and it can be used for protection if you don't mind having to put multiple rounds into the bad guy in order to stop them. Whatever you decide, get very proficient with the weapon and go shooting every few months to stay that way. Mostly it will be a carry pistol and something to have by the bed at night. while carrying it may mostly be at work or in the WK. I plan to take it to the range once a week for the first month or so i have it so i can get some trigger time in... I hope you aren't relying too heavily on answers to a posting on a fairly small membership JEEP board for such an important (and relatively pricey) decision. There is a lot of good info out there. Good luck with your search! All I am looking for is personal experience with the different brands all the fourms i read over are dated by a few years. __ I spent about 18+ hours this week reading up on the Guns and their ammo, and have came to the conclusion that shot placement is the most important aspect. A .45 does me no good if i can't hit them where its needed, and there is only a fraction of a size difference between the 9mm and the .40. You can pretty much bet if someone attacks me they will be getting the whole clip whether it be 7 .45 or 15 Hydro-shock 9mm, the LEOs at the Gyms we own all say the same thing "dead men don't talk" or in this day and age won't sue you for something stupid "emotional trauma", "causing hardship" or "permanent scaring". If the attacker is drunk or hyped up on drugs that pain of being shot may not register and they only stop once they bleed out or destroy the Brain or upper spine. People are different and they react different to being shot, a heart shot might drop them right in their tracks or it could take 5-8 seconds for lack of oxygen to the brain to stop them. while yes, bullet size can play part into stopping an attacker anything smaller than a S&W .500 is not a 1 shot wonder. This is why I am just asking about the firearm it self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue88Comanche Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 Buying a used gun can be very risky. Each gun needs to be broken down prior to purchase and the in-sides examined. The rifling in the barrel needs to be checked. Look for wear marks or rounding on all the parts inside (trigger break, extractor, ejector...). Look at the rails on on slide and the parts of the grip it slides on. A lot of people at pawn shops know very little about guns or they're just really good about playing dumb... Use gunbroker.com to try and gauge if they're selling the gun way below what it's worth used; there maybe a significant reason and you might not be able to find it. Most pawn shops really do their homework and pay as little as they can and charge as much as they can. The pawn shops in Oregon give about 50% of what they are selling them. I've bought 3 off people trying to hawk them that were offended at the pawn shops offer. And when buying more expensive guns from pawn shops i've found they usually sit for along time and they are eager to get rid of them cash talks. I broke down all the pistols i was looking at the pawn shops, maybe a little more than the guy on the other side of the counter would have liked :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I'll bet that the claimed barrel failures were from someone buying re-loads or packing their own re-loads "hot" and then playing the " the ammo wasn't labled as "P" song. Well we did play that song, because they were just Remington 40 s&w from bi-mart. The same rounds that went through my Sig p239 time and time again. But you also fell under this part "Buying a used gun with no real knowledge of its history assures that the person suffering the alleged failure has no idea what type of loads had been run through it before even if they aren't using re-loads themselves..." and although you were 100% honest the PO may not have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deziped Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 A small 9mm is the Makarov. Reliable, 8rd magazine, 6 3/8" long, cheap, and safe and easy to decock. I find it ideal CC in pocket or holster. Image Not Found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimoshel Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 There is one aspect here no one has mentioned yet. Are you ready to take a life if necessary? There are many cases on record where someone pulled a gun on a mugger, rapist, home breaker what ever and didn't use it. They then had the gun taken away from and used on them. Just something to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Springfield XD line. FTMFW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 There is one aspect here no one has mentioned yet. Are you ready to take a life if necessary? There are many cases on record where someone pulled a gun on a mugger, rapist, home breaker what ever and didn't use it. They then had the gun taken away from and used on them. Just something to think about. Excellent post. If you and everyone with access to the weapon is not prepared to use it, it is probably a greater liability than an asset! ( I often carry a Taurus PT738 .380 as a pocket gun despite my appreciation for Glocks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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