Deleted Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 I'm not sure how rare these are but theyve helped me out plenty of times so to me theyre priceless
fiatslug87 Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 Yup, I like having something tangible to flip through.
Pete M Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 every time I crack open the paperbacks I'm reminded of 15-20 years ago when I would type out huuuuuge sections of it to try and help MJ owners with their problems. the internet just wasn't the same back then. now I can just copy/paste a youtube link or the DIY master list.
DirtyComanche Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 I would like to buy more of those FSMs, but they're just expensive. I could really use an 87 or 88 one, and a 91 or 92. The Ford dealer near here tossed all their paper manuals a while back. Truckloads. They had it up on the buy and sell to come take whatever you wanted for free. The Dodge/Jeep dealer has long since got rid of theirs though...
Deleted Posted June 27, 2019 Author Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, DirtyComanche said: I would like to buy more of those FSMs, but they're just expensive. I could really use an 87 or 88 one, and a 91 or 92. The Ford dealer near here tossed all their paper manuals a while back. Truckloads. They had it up on the buy and sell to come take whatever you wanted for free. The Dodge/Jeep dealer has long since got rid of theirs though... I'm thankful enough that mine were given to me awhile back when I had my first MJ and ive held onto them after i sold it because i knew id be getting another MJ again some day.
Deleted Posted June 27, 2019 Author Posted June 27, 2019 7 hours ago, fiatslug87 said: Yup, I like having something tangible to flip through. Theres always a bigger fish...for real though that is one serious collection!
neohic Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 Before Jeeps I was a true blue VW guy. For years I subscribed to Hot VWs and kept them ALL!! So much info!
eaglescout526 Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 Every book I have collected since owning my truck and working at the dealer.
Minuit Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 As much as I like having real books, it's so annoying trying to flip through a massive FSM while my hands are nasty and I'm trying to get something done. With a digital manual I can just print out the pages I think I might need beforehand with no worries. Plus I won't have to go looking for the damn things every time I get curious about something.
gogmorgo Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 I had a Haynes... for a short while at least. Cheap manuals are like cheap tools. They may work a few times, but they don't last very long, and they'll probably strip out your fasteners on their way to the scrap pile. My Haynes disappeared shortly after I swapped out the distributor and then spent the better part of a day trying to diagnose this problem: https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f2/distributor-cap-rotor-78168/#post872564 Note that's not my thread, but I'm pretty confident that's the thing I found that put me back on track. I don't specifically remember tossing the manual, but I also definitely no longer have it. I've never really looked too hard for one, but a '91 FSM would be cool to own, even if I don't use it much. I kinda prefer the digital manuals. The paper ones are great for comparing a couple pages side by each, or for tracing along circuit diagrams. But if I can load a PDF on my phone I can have it right there where I'm working and greasy handprints will come off my phone case easily enough, or sometimes with particularly dirty jobs I've dropped it in a ziplock, or plastic wrap over a laptop keyboard works great as well.
Jeep Driver Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 Life before forums? People had buddies and mentors..........auto repair was a social function. Knowledge was handed down and a young man learned with a wrench in hand. Today........eh.
Deleted Posted June 28, 2019 Author Posted June 28, 2019 1 hour ago, eaglescout526 said: Every book I have collected since owning my truck and working at the dealer. "Ill trade you two rookie haynes for a chilton"
Deleted Posted June 28, 2019 Author Posted June 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Minuit said: As much as I like having real books, it's so annoying trying to flip through a massive FSM while my hands are nasty and I'm trying to get something done. With a digital manual I can just print out the pages I think I might need beforehand with no worries. Plus I won't have to go looking for the damn things every time I get curious about something. I usually use the books to look over whatever I plan on messing with and making sure i buy all the stuff I need and then use pictures of the pages on my phone while I'm working, that way they stay clean lol
Deleted Posted June 28, 2019 Author Posted June 28, 2019 42 minutes ago, gogmorgo said: I had a Haynes... for a short while at least. Cheap manuals are like cheap tools. They may work a few times, but they don't last very long, and they'll probably strip out your fasteners on their way to the scrap pile. My Haynes disappeared shortly after I swapped out the distributor and then spent the better part of a day trying to diagnose this problem: https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f2/distributor-cap-rotor-78168/#post872564 Note that's not my thread, but I'm pretty confident that's the thing I found that put me back on track. I don't specifically remember tossing the manual, but I also definitely no longer have it. I've never really looked too hard for one, but a '91 FSM would be cool to own, even if I don't use it much. I kinda prefer the digital manuals. The paper ones are great for comparing a couple pages side by each, or for tracing along circuit diagrams. But if I can load a PDF on my phone I can have it right there where I'm working and greasy handprints will come off my phone case easily enough, or sometimes with particularly dirty jobs I've dropped it in a ziplock, or plastic wrap over a laptop keyboard works great as well. You needed a manual for that? theres only like 479001600 different combinations for the firing order, could have knocked it out in an afternoon ;)
fiatslug87 Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 This is my favorite, hardback, printed in 1972, still looks brand new!
eaglescout526 Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Pirate_Staz said: "Ill trade you two rookie haynes for a chilton" "Deal!"
gogmorgo Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Pirate_Staz said: You needed a manual for that? theres only like 479001600 different combinations for the firing order, could have knocked it out in an afternoon ;) It's cast into the intake manifold. I just needed to know where #1 should be, and on the later distributor with a fixed position, where #1 goes matters. The diagram in the Haynes manual is clocked wrong, despite supposedly being for the fixed distributor.
FrankTheDog Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 I started wrenching when I was 16 in 1980 when I bought a 1970 Ford Maverick for $25. My dad only gave me two pieces of advice when I was first starting to work on it. Discs are easier than drums and only dismantle one side at a time so you can see how to put it back together correctly. It was drums all around and all the lines were rotten. I still have the brake pliers and stamped tubing bender I did the job with. Didn’t even use a manual. Just figured it out and did it.
DirtyComanche Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 21 hours ago, FrankTheDog said: My dad only gave me two pieces of advice when I was first starting to work on it. Discs are easier than drums and only dismantle one side at a time so you can see how to put it back together correctly. I wish I'd had a dad that could have at least given me that much advice. Ah well, I do okay for being a totally self taught numpty.
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