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here is an :idea: maybe they are targeting the subaru market those lil buggers where fun back in the day :dunno: what they are now probably more on road then off. maybe i'm :nuts: that was the frist thing that crossed my mind :cheers:

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The best thing about Jeep is that it WILL survive.

It survived handlings and mishandlings by Willys, Kaiser, AMC, Renault, Chrysler, Mercedes Benz, and Cerberus.

 

Each one tweaked Jeep in some way, but Jeep survived to see it's next 'owner'.

 

Not much we can do about it, but the one thing that's been constant with Jeep is change. :smart:

 

 

Enjoy the ride. :ack:

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ive always hated the way newer cars are looking. pretty soon you won't be able to tell a chevy from a honda from a benz. makes me sick. how about some originality people, damn. but then again i guess they think they are being original by coming up with these monstrosities :ack:

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Fiat now owns about 25% of jeep. They have agreements to purchase another 10%. Unless something changes again, Fiat will not own Chrysler and, by extension, jeep.

 

In exchange for shares, Fiat manages Chrysler.

 

Although DiamlerBenz tried to kill the Chryco brands, the new Grand (based on the new ML and created under DC) is outstanding. The first thing that Fiat does is take that great product and dilute it by copying its front onto an econobox: The Dodge Caliber that pretends to be a Jeep Compass/Patriot ( they are the same car for those not in the know)!!! This can only hurt the Grand by comparison and is not a good sign about Fiat management. That Compass is surely a poor move.

 

Jeep has long been a crappy company no matter the overloards. Poor reliability and build quality along with cheaped-out parts are the norm, not the exception. It certainly applies to our rust prone MJ's with a myriad of issues from the day they were born (2.8/pukegoat/d35, ad nauseum). That isn't hating: it is reality. No one can look objectively at the history of jeep and see anything else.

 

I love jeeps, and have owned something from every overlord's era. But I do not wear blinders about them as the fanbois do. And remeber: that Panda-based jeep pic'd above is no closer to reality than the Rescue concept of 2000.

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"Jeep" has created a linguistic/grammatical break-through. It's the first time in the history of language that a noun has a tense -- PAST tense.

 

The last of the solid front axle WJs was arguably the end of Jeep. Personally, I regard the end as either the end of the XJ Cherokee, or possibly extending it to the end of the 4.0L engine in the Wrangler. The current Wrangler is an abomination. It's big, it's ugly, the axles need beefing up for even moderate off-road use, and the engine is a high-RPM passenger car engine that's not well suited to off-road use.

 

I plan to keep my XJs and MJs running for just as long as I possibly can. If I can find a decent 4.0L Wrangler Unlimited (the original, 2-door version) I'll add that to the stable and then stand pat.

 

Jeep has NO vehicles today that interest me in the slightest.

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"Jeep" has created a linguistic/grammatical break-through. It's the first time in the history of language that a noun has a tense -- PAST tense.

 

The last of the solid front axle WJs was arguably the end of Jeep. Personally, I regard the end as either the end of the XJ Cherokee, or possibly extending it to the end of the 4.0L engine in the Wrangler. The current Wrangler is an abomination. It's big, it's ugly, the axles need beefing up for even moderate off-road use, and the engine is a high-RPM passenger car engine that's not well suited to off-road use.

 

I plan to keep my XJs and MJs running for just as long as I possibly can. If I can find a decent 4.0L Wrangler Unlimited (the original, 2-door version) I'll add that to the stable and then stand pat.

 

Jeep has NO vehicles today that interest me in the slightest.

 

:agree: but substitute a :( for the :)

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Thanks to the CAFE standards those small non-Jeep Jeeps are here to stay. If not in their current form then something like them. I look at them as gateway drugs that may pull owners into the truly disturbed Jeepin fold one day (like us). Where would Jeep be today without the unibody vehicles, the XJ, ZJ, etc. Where would we be? It's such an ugly thought. So I won't bash the new little Jeepers, I'll just maintain the hope that they'll either buy a wrangler or new Grand later or go insane and start SAS'ing their IFS Jeeps.

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Thanks to the CAFE standards those small non-Jeep Jeeps are here to stay. If not in their current form then something like them. I look at them as gateway drugs that may pull owners into the truly disturbed Jeepin fold one day (like us). Where would Jeep be today without the unibody vehicles, the XJ, ZJ, etc. Where would we be? It's such an ugly thought. So I won't bash the new little Jeepers, I'll just maintain the hope that they'll either buy a wrangler or new Grand later or go insane and start SAS'ing their IFS Jeeps.

 

 

I agree....they have to maintain a fleet MPG standard...in order to build the GC and the like, they need these....

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The 3.7 is a good engine. If you fit one into an XJ or MJ, which are a 1,000# lighter than a KJ, I'd bet the doubters would change their minds. I know I only have 80,000 miles of experience with the 3.7, but it is a better engine than the 105K mile 4.0 I have. There are a number of 3.7's over 200K now.

 

If you think the new JK axle are weak, what do you think of the 260-jointed d30's that jeep used forever? Or the awesome turdy5? Or 2-piece axle M20? I'd take the hp30/D44 axles under jK over a small-joint LP d30/D35 combo any day of the week. I guess swapping bigger jointed axles, or complete assemblies as many of us have done, under XJ's and MJ's don't count as "beefing up the axles" as the JK's "require?"

 

Just asking you to put aside personal feelings and look at the stats and true history...

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Some of the younger peeps here may not know it, but at one time in the distant past there were people, human beings sitting at a drawing table, using soft lead mechanical pencils and india ink, black. They were transferring their individual ideas on automobile design into drawings that could be shared with other dreamers, designers and engineers to produce distinctive, unique motor cars that would appeal to the motoring public and get them to spend their hard earned money to buy one. They would have distinctive identifying features to make them more appealing and differentiate one car from another. Think hood ornaments and sweeping rear fenders that looked like an airplane vertical fin. Then as big brother slowly butted in, dictating how things should be done and economics, the need to compete and make a buck changed all that.

Now a computer programmer sits in front of his hidef monitor and feeds the standard data into his machine, average ht, average wt, 2 adults, 2.5 kids, 30mpg, required this and required that and when he is through entering the same data that every car manufacturer in the world is entering in their computers and hits enter. guess what happens. They all get the same output. A bunch of reliable, economical, shiny chrome plated plastic automobiles.

Well frankly I miss the throaty roar of my old 38 JagSS. I miss polishing the chrome hood ornament of my '41 chevy. I miss having to park my 50 Cad convertable on the dirt so the leaking oil wouldn't stain the driveway.

I think I'll go buy another Jeep. An old one. That always cheers me up.

Anybody that sat and read through all my rambling must really be hard up for something to do. Jim

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