Zenobian_84 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Just like the title says, I need GVWR Ratings for the following; simply for my own use to make VIN graphics for the people that have requested one of me. I've been searching the site and elsewhere for about an hour or so, and haven't really gotten anything of use. Doesn't help that I just got off of work either. :ack: Posted by Pete a few years back; all these ratings are for a 2.5, from what he posted. 4x2 sb GVWR: 4387 4x4 sb GVWR: 4551 4x2 lb GVWR: 4434 4x4 lb GVWR: 4616 I would like to know the GVWR of a 4.0 MJ. I'm only assuming here that it adds at least another 100 lbs at MOST to the rating of the SWB / LWB 4x2 and 4x4. This is based off prior information of weighings of a 2.5 and a 4.0; most agreed that there was only about 100 lbs difference between a fully dressed 2.5 vs 4.0 I shouldn't be so nit-picky with this, but I want to try and have a completely accurate Door VIN tag to offer to whoever wants it; or as close to the original thing as I can get. It also doesn't help that I have serious OCD tendencies with things like these. :ack: EDIT--- Does the different GVWR ratings for an MJ with a 4.0 affect it's GAWR ratings? I read that all MJ's have a 2500 FT./2700 RR weight ratio. Is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainman Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 91 4.0 HO pioneer LWB 4x4. 4850 GVWR on the door sticker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenobian_84 Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 91 4.0 HO pioneer LWB 4x4. 4850 GVWR on the door sticker. Thanks MM. :cheers: Now if I could get the rating for a 4x2 SWB 4.0, I could figure out the rest. :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnj92131 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 How about GVW for BigTon/MetricTon? Lost my door sticker to am accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue88Comanche Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 would the Comanche brochure have that info? I have the one that the Jeep Dealer gave my grandfather when he bought my Comanche back in 1988.. when i get home from work i can post the specs from it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velco Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 new here...just getting started 88 jeep MJ eliminator 2X4 4.0 litre SWB door sticker reads GVWR 2050 Kg = 4519.476 lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue88Comanche Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 according to this little booklet here are all the info you should need hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenobian_84 Posted July 24, 2012 Author Share Posted July 24, 2012 You 'da man Jeff; you 'da man! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue88Comanche Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 there was one more sticker I wanted to post but I did not think of it till 11 ish last night, I will get that posted after work as well.. it has some tire size and pressure info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 according to this little booklet here are all the info you should need sorta. supposedly those numbers are for a 2.5L equipped truck. since the 4.0 drivetrain weighs more, either the 4.0 gvwr numbers will be higher, or the 4.0 truck has a reduced payload. and it looks like the 4.0L gvwr is higher to keep the payload numbers the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue88Comanche Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 according to this little booklet here are all the info you should need sorta. supposedly those numbers are for a 2.5L equipped truck. since the 4.0 drivetrain weighs more, either the 4.0 gvwr numbers will be higher, or the 4.0 truck has a reduced payload. and it looks like the 4.0L gvwr is higher to keep the payload numbers the same. :hmm: so all the weight data id for the 2.5Ls is all the towing and hauling data also 2.5? and did the metric ton package have the 2.5L as a option? I ask because it shows the weight and payload for that package as "optional" on my 3rd pic.. guess i am a little lost :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 RQD = required REC = recommended so the towing chart shows that to tow 5000 you need the 4.0 and other stuff. and yes you could have ordered a 2.5L/manual MJ with the Metric tonne added on. :thumbsup: the higher gvwr was still well within the gcwr for a 2.5 with a trailer behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebvance Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I went to the scrap yard recently and they weighed the truck before and after I unloaded the scrap and if I remeber right It was around 3200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I went to the scrap yard recently and they weighed the truck before and after I unloaded the scrap and if I remeber right It was around 3200 That's curb weight, not gross vehicle weight. Gross vehicle weight is curb weight plus payload plus occupants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticMonkey Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 What was the final result of this topic? I Urgently need some data for my registration. My door sticker is not readable any more... GVWR TOTAL GAWR FRONT GAWR REAR TOWING CAPACITY MJ4.0 1987 Metric Ton AW4 with towing rack mounted to frame (and also 2" tubes sticking out on both sides and in front...what are they for? Winching?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikekaz1 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 4.0 auto swb 4x2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticMonkey Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Thanks! But that is a regular MJ, not with the metric ton package? How did you embed the photo? I will try to upload a photo of my door sticker.. My standard wheels are 15x7 and tires 225/75 R15 I would also need towing capacity for the towing package, thank you so much!!!! A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogmorgo Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Why is this relevant? Shouldn't the dmv be able to look them up by your VIN? Mine was. Max towing with metric ton/aw4 is 5000lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnj92131 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 ArcticMonkey is in Norway, so I imagine his version of the DMV does not have that information. Much like we in North America do not have a lot of info about Europe only automobiles. My 1987 owners manual just lists GCVR for trailer towing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticMonkey Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Hi, and thank you for your posts, The VIN simply states a range between 5001-6000lbs for GVWR not the same number as used to be printed on the door. As this was imported from french part of Canada, documentation is lacking. I have the original manual with the plastic cards (both english and french), but there are no numbers specific to this particular vehicle. I also have the original sales contract from 1987 with all the options stated. But again, no dimensions, weights, payload needed to make a norwegian DMV. I have another question too: My MJ came with side steps (MM150 masterstep is printed on the sides) with 6 lights in them. Was this original or not? If the lights were there leaving the reseller, I can keep them here in Norway, or else I have to remove them as only larger trucks (more than 2,5m width) are allowed to have marker lights along the sides... Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticMonkey Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 OK. finally I managed to photograph the sticker with a very high resolution camera, and from a specific angle the data showed as follows, (hardly readable so maybe some numbers are wrong) All numbers stated in KG not lbs for my canadian truck Original stock Metric Ton Laredo 87 4.0 EFI std wheels 225/75R15x7 GVWR TOTAL 2526 KG = 5569 lbs (could be 2586 KG - 5700 lbs ????) GAWR FRT 1134 KG = 2500 lbs GAWR RR 1542 KG = 3400 lbs Now I did not find anything on towing capacity or payload in my documents, but were told it has a payload of 1000 kg - 2204 lbs and towing capacity 2268 KG - 5000 lbs with class II hitch (not from bumper but from frame fixed to the subframe of the truck, called equalizer?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnj92131 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Your truck has a Class III hitch - it was shown on the Ebay pictures of your truck. You are correct on that. An "equalizer" as you called it is something additional that is needed in addition to the Class III hitch. It is also called a "weight distributing" hitch. The purpose is to transfer part of the trailer tongue weight from the back wheels of the truck to the front wheels of the truck. The 1987 Comanche Owners Manual calls for use of the weight distributing hitch if the trailer tongue weight is above 350 lbs. Here is an example of the "weight distributing hitch". http://www.harborfreight.com/10000-lb-capacity-weight-distributing-hitch-system-67649.html Also, your 225/75x15 tires are important because they increase the GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) from 9264 lbs, with 205/75x15 tires to 9820 lbs with the 225/75x15 tires. The 225/75x15 are required with the Metirc Ton package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatslug87 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 From an '88 brochure, the optional is the metric ton package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnj92131 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 <snip> I have another question too: My MJ came with side steps (MM150 masterstep is printed on the sides) with 6 lights in them. Was this original or not? If the lights were there leaving the reseller, I can keep them here in Norway, or else I have to remove them as only larger trucks (more than 2,5m width) are allowed to have marker lights along the sides... Thanks! The 1986 Comanche sales booklet I have shows factory running boards (side steps) but without lights. I also have an original factory list of accessory part numbers and prices. This shows 6 different factory part numbers for the running boards. I could send you a copy of the list for you to show the DMV. This may help convince your DMV that your parts are factory options. My own suspicion is that your MM150 masterstep is an after market part rather than a factory authorized part. Just don't tell your DMV that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogmorgo Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 If you need help translating some of those French documents I'll be more than happy to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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