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"I've recently purchased a D44 for the rear of my MJ, which will probably be getting an auto locker (like an Aussie locker) however, right now I'm more concerned about the front. From how I understand the AWD functionally will effectively be useless. because as you round a corner the outer wheel moves faster which would cause the locker to activate. so my question is: Am I right, or is there something I have overlooked? Thanks in advance any input is appreciated." You can drive with an Aussie in the rear just fine. In AWD mode the 242 allows differentiation between the front and rear so whether the rear is locked or not will not matter. Unless you tromp it to make a turn, like from a stopped position on one road to another, the Aussie won't be locked in a turn enough enough to make a difference anyway. My personal experience echos that of Blue88Comanche's and that of my friend's 43 year old soccer mom wife who has a no-slip auto locker in the back of her 242 equipped KJ and who drives in some pretty solid winter weather. You do not need to alter your driving style much if at all with the rear locker. If she can handle it I am sure most everyone else can. When questioned people spewing most of the negative reports about auto lockers are repeating what they have heard/read and not from first hand experience. Although I think you just meant you wanted to know how a rear locker would effect your vehicle a front auto locker has been mentioned. I have seen someone try an auto locker in the front of am AWD/242 XJ. It did not work. As the front axle potentially has power to it to some degree at all times it caused some apparent binding issues on pavement and noticeable under steer everywhere as is common with any locked front end. . A limited slip, especially a TrueTrac, would be great in the front but they cost between $80-$100 more than an Aussie and require the assembly to be set up again. A selectable also requires re-setting the gears and are much more expensive. Any owner should be realistic about what they intend to do with their jeep to determine the best way to go.

Side rant: I hate that jeep moved to a greater positive offset the moved the face of the rim out further where it is less protected by the rim lip. If you don't use aftermarket wheels with less back spacing you run the risk of scratching the hell out of your rim faces off road. :mad:

NOoooooooooo.....!!!!!!

Ha.......you will marvel at our originality if you could guess the name of our $2 coin..... :doh: Actually we don't marvel that you call it a "toonie"...that is the sad part :rotf:

I would gladly trade my 231 for a 242...can't find any takers and mine is the late model 231 that won't puke fluid if you pull the driveshaft

And the only reason a hockey team would return is socialized dentistry

Well it may have been in jest before but S*&^ just got real!!! Image Not Found

I was in for good natured ribbing. Like when my comparison of Canada as being as big an enemy as Russia was akin to calling a big guy "Tiny." Again tone, inflection, and facial expression come over poorly on the internet. Had we all been sitting in the same room with a cold beverage in hand that would have been clear. I did not mean to offend anyone with this and apologize if i did so. It was intended in jest and I took the responses in that manner.

can I volunteer to get curled?

Gleason had nothing to do with the TrueTrac. The people who bought Gleason's patents "added" the True-Trac to the product line calling it a TorSen. The TrueTrac is a helical gear-driven LSD commonly referred to as a gleason-torson due the inventor of the design and its later maker. Although Gleason the man may not have had any direct connection to the TrueTrac the people who bought him out did. Gleason the company became Torson ( its long full name escapes me right now.) I have always heard ( that might be my mistake right there :hmm: ) that the TrueTrac was based off of a Torson modification of the original Gleason design. The later versions are referred to as a gleason-torson differential. I have had the cone-type LSD in several Mopars with the 8 3/4 rear. Their version is called the Sure Grip. I was impressed with their initial clamping power but less impressed with their longevity and that failures are for all intents and purposes catastrophic. They were originally a Borg Warner cone-type design that was sold to Auburn and which Auburn still produces. Mopar's car Dana 60 Sure Grips were actually the Dana Power-Lok clutch type LSD, considered by many to be about the finest clutch-type LSD design as the clutch pack is easily adaptable to fine tune the bias. Their discontinued Dana 30 Power-Lok LSD's were a factory option in the front of several vehicles and are still sought after for that application. 8.25 & 9.25 axles used clutch-type LSD's but were also referred to as Sure Grip. A factory LSD in an XJ with an 8.25 is a clutch-type. Sure Grip = Chrysler. Posi/positraction = Chevy & GMC. Traction Lok ( later unofficially shortened to track-lok ) was the most common Ford name. Dana's in house units were Power-Loks while Jeep primarily had the Trac-loc. Notice the very similar names for most? How Chevy's "posi" became the default norm for all LSD's when even Buick, Olds, and Pontiac had different names for their LSD's is strange. Especially when you consider that the other make's LSD's were mainly the exact unit that Chevy used. So to tie this in: The fact that Borg Warner designed a cone type LSD to which the rights were subsequently sold to Auburn in no way changes that today's Auburn cone type LSD is based on that BW design. Later enhancements were not made under BW but the BW design remains. The same applies to the TrueTrac. It may or may not be a child of Gleason but it is at least a grandchild. Benjy-26:Similar to your Blazer story I drove a '70 Dodge Super Bee with a 425 horsepower (via desk-top dyno) 440 and a spool in the rear for a full winter here in Ohio. As with your K5 all that I had to do was remember that it was there and drive accordingly. I did not realize that you and I were apparently displaying a skill that is unobtainable by so many others.

Now that those worthless "consolation prices" are what has Russia ahead of Canada ( at least for now ) maybe gold isn't the only thing that counts? Hmmm... How many NHL teams are left in Canada compared to the U.S.? I could google it but... :dunno:

Detroit is the trade name but the TrueTrac is just used for their gear driven (gleason torson) limited slip. It is a much better design than the cone type or clutch pack limited slip units. To get a Truetrac to engage almost as well as a locker you merely have to apply a bit of drag via the brakes. Although that is not practical on the street or in pavement racing it is easily done while 'wheeling. the bias set for most limited slips including the various Trac-lok designs are easily overcome leaving you with what amounts to an open diff. IMHO the street characteristics of automatic lockers in general and specifically the drop in style such as the Aussie are much tamer than is stated. often statements to the contrary are made by folks who are just repeating internet postings and without any personal experience. I have used them in several vehicles and in the winter in everything from a lifted '05 KJ with a 6 speed stick and 31" mud terrains to a '72 Commando automatic. They are the best bang for the buck. Having said that remember that the you most likely have the infamously weak dana 35. Locking it will increase the stress on it.

I will never understand this either. Your current style of play got you the lead so you change it?? Asinine. Congrats to the ladies of Canada.

Plating the frame is a great idea over welding directly to it. Just from things I have observed on XJ's I think that given enough time I would sleeve any bolt holes I put through the frame if I didn't plate each side or use large reinforcements around the bolt on the unplated side. I used 2x6 tubing to make frame reinforcements for a CJ. I cut the top of the tube off to get the C into the various heights that I needed. I welded them directly to the frame but the full-framed CJ is a completely different animal. Although labor intensive it was about 10% of the cost of pre-made frame reinforcements. Many of the better rails are attached to the pinch weld as well as the frame in one way or another. You could get some angle and weld it across your outriggers at the proper spacing from your main rail. Drill some holes for the angle, duplicate the holes on the pinch weld, and bolt them on to tie everything together. Here is one example of many out there: http://www.ajsoffroadarmor.com/product.php?productid=17515&cat=250&page=1 For the track bar I would take the opportunity to replace the mount, as well. My choice would be: http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IROR&Product_Code=IR-STBCK&Category_Code=PFX If you ever measure up the dimensions on those rails and then post them I know many people would appreciate it....

Here is another option that provides needed beef to the front: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/body-armor/1011786-ors-cherokee-stubby-bumpers-free-shipping-3.html IMHO it looks better than the option above

Well as of now USA is 4th. To illustrate why I don't like the way they score: Belarus is in 7th. Although they only have 6 medals total they have 5 golds and 1 Bronze. Canada is 8th with 4 gold, 9 silver, and 4 bronze for 17 total medals. Belarus may only compete in 7 events but if they win them all they shoot up the rankings while Canada can win medal after medal with many athletes and trail. Can you really say that Belarus has outperformed Canada at this point based on the total results? I can't but that is just my thoughts on it ....

I was wondering if you have any closer shots of your rear shock mounts but particularly if you could post the brand & part #'s for your rear shocks. ( their dimensions would be gravy...)

You could fab up anything but like doing a differential you would have to have a pump as the tranny does not. It is possible that for something like JeepSpeed or round track racing you would need to cool a manual tranny or diff but I would doubt it... Tranny coolers are for automatics.

A common failure is the track bar mounting hole at the body side. It will rattle and eventually thunk as it gets worse. This is also a common but overlooked DW source.

Unfortunately my news feed's 9:05 EST 2/17/14 update only lists the top 7 countries so I don't know where Canada is in the standings now. We remain 5th due to the Gold-only scoring. We would be first without it.

The Chinese made an a total knock-off of a Jeep Liberty pick-up a few years back. Hey, it's not really a copy... they used an 8-slot grille not a 7....

I get the winning is everything but this is not really a team sport event in its totality. By that process a country can win 5 golds and no other medals and "win" the Olympics while another country can have 4 Golds and 21 Silvers and be behind the first country. If winning is all that matters and to score it the current way just give golds. Yes, we are on the decline. Part of it is the continued wussification of our kids by helicopter parents and PC policies and part is the dilution of the skill pool by there being so many other sports to draw the athletes. The X-games is a prime example. But being on the decline means you were at least at the top at some point. The crash by Jacobellis in snowboarding is a good example, to me, of that one little mistake Comanche Country is talking about. Then that dingy American speed skater got DQ'd for doing something stupid to try to go from first to second at the finish line in a heat race when the top three advance...that wasn't sad but frustrating to watch. I dated a girl in high school who was the daughter of our Olympic hockey goalie in '64 & '68. He had some very interesting stories about the Olympics even back then.... :brows:

I think you miss understood my post......it was $448 all in....that is the lift and the shipping combined not just the shipping.....the shipping was +/- $100 I will post again when it is done.....as of now the rear is on.....i did it solo in about 2 hours.....i installed the add a leaf without removing the top leaf from the xJ..... :thumbsup: I was comparing my price including shipping shipped at $328 ( american) including a too high shipping cost of $68 versus your price including shipping at $448 ( American?). Your shipped price is $120 more than my shipped price. I know part of your $448 was probably duties but that $448 is about $180 (shipping plus duties??) more than the $265 price for the kit on the website. http://www.rustysoffroad.com/jeep-suspension/jeep-suspension-lift-kits/xj-cherokee-84-01-jeep-suspension-lift-kits/rustys-xj-cherokee-3-add-a-leaf-kit.html Oh i see yes I paid a duty plus a small tax.....government needs a piece of the action too......any way got it all in by myself in about 5 hours...I have put lifts in before but usually had a helper ....so I came up with a couple of tricks that I will post in the DIY section...... :thumbsup: Good job. I would appreciate any tips on an AAL lift.

If you count arresting 1,712 of them over 20 years working with the public then yes I worked with the public... :thumbsup: The world would be a great place if it wasn't for people

Did some net sleuthing: as stated this is the original Aussie locker design. If you read the Lokka website you will find all sorts of things about the design and manufacturing and tolerances Australian but what they don't mention is that a few years ago they moved at least some production (maybe all now?) and all metal sourcing to China. They developed failure problems ( hmmm...like my shattered side gear?) and that prompted Torq-masters to move all production and metal sourcing to the U.S. for the current design. In addition to Chinese metal and maybe manufacturing this is the older Aussie design and is a bit louder and rougher on engagement then the newer design being sold here. Many were satisfied with the old design but the new design is being talked about like it is about as smooth as the more expensive No-slip. Again this is from reading posts on various boards on the internet. Although it seems to pass the B.S. test its validity is unknown.