Comancheroke

[omega_rugal]

everybody wants a 4 door Comanche, or Cheromanche

 

how about a Comacheroke?

 

a long wheel base MJ, with no bed and the back of the cabin chopped off

the rear half of an XJ cut to fit the rear axle

custom made rear XJ doors, or longer doors out of a 2-door XJ, havent figuered out this yet

raised roof in the rear

 

3 row seats, i´m a fan of 3rd row seats

 

what you think?

[Jeep Driver]

20 minutes ago, omega_rugal said:

everybody wants a 4 door Comanche, or Cheromanche

No, no I don't. 

[Dzimm]

Interesting concept.  Although I'd recommend stretching the front doors to accept the factory XJ 2doors.  Would be less fab work as you are already splicing the cabs together in that area.  May even need to stretch the rear doors as well because you'd have a lot of area to fill with a long bed.

 

One major issue that I have no idea how you'd overcome, the frame rails come up behind the cab, meaning the floor would also have to come up and eliminating anywhere to put your feet.  Would be easier to remove the rear seats and put in a flat floor to make a Jeep XJ/MJ cargo van.

[omega_rugal]

7 minutes ago, Dzimm said:

Although I'd recommend stretching the front doors to accept the factory XJ 2doors.  Would be less fab work as you are already splicing the cabs together in that area.  May even need to stretch the rear doors as well because you'd have a lot of area to fill with a long bed.

 

i though about that too but that means the 2nd row would be accessed by the front doors? possible but it will  look weird

 

i´m still figuring out about the doors, in a way that involves less fabbing, cutting the uniframe once is bad for rigidity, is easier to cut and weld doors, maybe extend the rear ones as the notch has to be there anyway, but that involves cutting the and relocating the B pillar. and using 2-door XJ seats that fold all the way to allow access to the rear

 

13 minutes ago, Dzimm said:

the frame rails come up behind the cab, meaning the floor would also have to come up and eliminating anywhere to put your feet.

 

notching the XJ floor and bending down the rails? the rails would come up between the feet of the 2 row passengers, also the roof is raised here for more head room, the 2dn and 3rd row are meant to seat a little higher

[Dzimm]

1 minute ago, omega_rugal said:

 

i though about that too but that means the 2nd row would be accessed by the front doors? possible but it will  look weird

 

i´m still figuring out about the doors, in a way that involves less fabbing, cutting the uniframe once is bad for rigidity, is easier to cut and weld doors, maybe extend the rear ones as the notch has to be there anyway, but that involves cutting the and relocating the B pillar. and using 2-door XJ seats that fold all the way to allow access to the rear

 

 

notching the XJ floor and bending down the rails? the rails would come up between the feet of the 2 row passengers, also the roof is raised here for more head room, the 2dn and 3rd row are meant to seat a little higher

You'd still only have the front accessed through the longer door.  I had a 2dr XJ and it was so much nicer to have the big door compared to the smaller ones on a 4dr.  Basically all 4 doors can be the longer 2dr doors.  

 

That is a possible solution for the rear floor.  You'd have to dump the exhaust towards the front and mount the gas tank under the rear to gain the room inside the frame rails.  

[omega_rugal]

2 minutes ago, Dzimm said:

Basically all 4 doors can be the longer 2dr doors.

 

that means the 2nd row will end up between the doors 

 

5 minutes ago, Dzimm said:

You'd have to dump the exhaust towards the front

 

or to the side

 

6 minutes ago, Dzimm said:

mount the gas tank under the rear to gain the room inside the frame rails. 

 

where the spare tire is in the long bed MJ, i wonder if it fits....the XJ already has a the spare tire inside, i don´t like it, i would make a hitch to put it in the back

[ghetdjc320]

2 hours ago, Jeep Driver said:

No, no I don't. 

Agreed. Don’t like the idea of a 4 door mj. Wish the new gladiator had a 2dr model. 

[Pete M]

I don't see the need for an MJ here.   Just stretch an XJ's wheelbase with a second XJ.   

[omega_rugal]

the idea was to not mess with the underside of the truck but that´s another option, and no MJ will be damaged in the process, XJs are a dime a dozen

[omega_rugal]

39 minutes ago, ghetdjc320 said:

Don’t like the idea of a 4 door mj

 

some do, and have done it...

[ghetdjc320]

It’s just my opinion... 

[Pete M]

looking for pics of stretched XJs and found this creation.  I bet you could fit a 3rd row in it   (and then some!)

 

 

[dasbulliwagen]

Start with 2, 2 door XJ's. Cut behind the front door on the front one, cut in front of the front door on the rear one. This keeps the back seat on the rear one(3rd row) available, and have longer doors front and rear, though the rear doors would need heavy modification to look correct. This also keeps a stock fuel tank setup and interior spare tire, as well as a little cargo area in addition to all three rows of seats.

[dasbulliwagen]

1 minute ago, dasbulliwagen said:

Start with 2, 2 door XJ's. Cut behind the front door on the front one, cut in front of the front door on the rear one. This keeps the back seat on the rear one(3rd row) available, and have longer doors front and rear, though the rear doors would need heavy modification to look correct. This also keeps a stock fuel tank setup and interior spare tire, as well as a little cargo area in addition to all three rows of seats.

 

Or a 4 door front one, then splice the rear half of a 2 door door with the front half of a rear 4 door door, that takes care of the B pillar and makes door modification easier

[Pete M]

maximum MS Paint effort here  

 

 

[Pete M]

or shrunk a bit to be based off 4dr doors

 

 

[Pete M]

this Paint work felt remarkably familiar and then I remembered that years ago I did this:

 

[Eagle]

36 minutes ago, Pete M said:

this Paint work felt remarkably familiar and then I remembered that years ago I did this:

 

 

Why did you need Paint for that? AMC/Jeep built those with four doors -- I owned a ;78 for years. In many ways I wish I hadn't sold it.

[Pete M]

note the overall stretch of the Jeep from stock.   (the original image was of a limo Jeep so I made one of the right proportions for stock).

 

the grand waggy has the proportions of an XJ, I was looking for the proportions of an Excursion or suburban.  

 

If made in real life, it'd use some 4dr bits and some 2dr bits.

 

 

 

[omega_rugal]

6 hours ago, Pete M said:

 

 

 

 

i could live in it...

 

4 hours ago, dasbulliwagen said:

 

Or a 4 door front one, then splice the rear half of a 2 door door with the front half of a rear 4 door door, that takes care of the B pillar and makes door modification easier

 

i thought about splicing doors but then i remember that such windows will not exist...

[JustEmptyEveryPocket]

So other than this being an interesting engineering problem, what is the point? Just purchase a vehicle with 3rd row seating. An early durango comes to mind. Or any of the chevy/gmc mom mobiles. Or better yet, a real life van, with decals removed and replaced with JEEP decals! Gets you exactly what you were asking about with no crazy fab work. Chevy box vans go super cheap from the electrical companies and would work. You can even lift those and put bigger tires on, etc.

 

I guess I am lame and just don't understand questions/ desires like these....

[omega_rugal]

i was thinking about a chevy Astro, or a Durango but the old V8 will kill my wallet overtime, there´s no cool factor there, a minivan? NEVER i rather die than being seeing driving one...

 

the whole point of a comacherokee is to build it, to reuse stuff that may go to the trash, i got the idea because there was this nice XJ with the front crushed in a traffic accident waiting to be dismantled near where i live, an XJ that has been rear ended may complete the project...

[JustEmptyEveryPocket]

Well, as long as you are not cutting up pristine vehicles, go for it! just post up some photos so I can keep shaking my head at you.

 

And my apologies on being pedantic, but aren't you making a cherocherokee? If you use two XJs that is anyways.

[JMO413]

I like the idea of an XJ with third row. I would have to say start with a two door and cut it behind the B pillar then insert four door rear doors. Captains chairs for the middle row and the two door rear seat in the back where it started.

[Eagle]

1 hour ago, JMO413 said:

I like the idea of an XJ with third row. I would have to say start with a two door and cut it behind the B pillar then insert four door rear doors. Captains chairs for the middle row and the two door rear seat in the back where it started.

 

Doesn't the Chinese Cherokee have third row seating? I know they raised the back part of the roof for some reason ...