DesertRat1991 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 21 minutes ago, HOrnbrod said: In glancing through the parts manuals I found nothing indicating any Jeep vehicle from 1981 on was available with a factory front D44. The only Jeep with rear D60 availability I found was the J20. Spicer certainly built them. Don't know what countries they were sold in though: http://drivetrain.estoreseller.com/DanaCatalogs/x510-9.pdf Dana 44 Fronts: 1982-84 Wagoneer, Cherokee Disconnect STD Track 1982-84 J10, J20, Wide Track Cherokee Dana 60 Rears: 1978-79 J20 Pickup 1979 J20 Pickup 1980-81 1/2 J20 Pickup 1982-85 J20 Pickup 1982 1/2-84 CJ10 1985 AM 720 1985 CJ10 1986-88 J20 Pickup Dana 70 Rears: 1985 CJ10A Military Jeep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89eliminator Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 "605287 JEEP 44 Rear 1986 XJ Metric Ton Truck" "605325 JEEP 44 Rear 1987-93 1/2 XJ Metric Ton Truck, XJ HD Truck" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeppapa Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 South American XJ's did supposedly get a HP Dana44 front axle, although again I have no photographic evidence of that. And it's unlikely one would've floated itself north. The deeper I dig into the various projects I've gotten myself into the more I think I'll eventually find myself travelling around the world by hopping from wrecking yard to wrecking yard... I’ll go with you. Sounds like fun. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 48 minutes ago, DesertRat1991 said: Spicer certainly built them. Don't know what countries they were sold in though: http://drivetrain.estoreseller.com/DanaCatalogs/x510-9.pdf Dana 44 Fronts: 1982-84 Wagoneer, Cherokee Disconnect STD Track 1982-84 J10, J20, Wide Track Cherokee Dana 60 Rears: 1978-79 J20 Pickup 1979 J20 Pickup 1980-81 1/2 J20 Pickup 1982-85 J20 Pickup 1982 1/2-84 CJ10 1985 AM 720 1985 CJ10 1986-88 J20 Pickup Dana 70 Rears: 1985 CJ10A Military Jeep None of those have anything to do with MJ or XJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 16 minutes ago, jeeppapa said: I’ll go with you. Sounds like fun. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Post a few pics of yours please I'd like to see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INjake89mj Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 On 2/27/2018 at 5:38 PM, jeeppapa said: Pattern is an egg on its side just like the D44s. It’s 10 bolts not 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeppapa Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 "605287 JEEP 44 Rear 1986 XJ Metric Ton Truck" "605325 JEEP 44 Rear 1987-93 1/2 XJ Metric Ton Truck, XJ HD Truck" lol Like said you order about anything if you were willing to pay for it. It was called a Special Order at GM. You could do it but very pricey. Very possible this truck pulled a heavy load or was loaded down 6 days out of the week. I found part of the axil tab. I’ll clean it up and check it out. Not much left of it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 39 minutes ago, jeeppapa said: Like said you order about anything if you were willing to pay for it. It was called a Special Order at GM. You could do it but very pricey. Very possible this truck pulled a heavy load or was loaded down 6 days out of the week. I found part of the axil tab. I’ll clean it up and check it out. Not much left of it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89eliminator Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 i'll withhold anymore comments until pics and evidence is provided that it came from the dealer that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 2 hours ago, HOrnbrod said: In glancing through the parts manuals I found nothing indicating any Jeep vehicle from 1981 on was available with a factory front D44, including the Exports. The only Jeep with rear D60 availability I found was the J20. I''m assuming you meant 88, because you certainly could get a D44 front in a FSJ in 81. Well, you could in 88 too, for that matter, the Grand Wagoneer used them until the end of production in 91ish. That said, you couldn't just install one in the XJ/MJ chassis, since there was some rather serious differences between them. 3 hours ago, Jeep Driver said: There should be a rule on forums that you can't make any claims without photographic proof With you on that. Along with posting the Dana BOM numbers. They will tell you a lot about what it actually is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 You know I have seen reference in many places the full size like the J10 being referred to as a Comanche I'm wondering if this guy's got a full size Jeep and he thinks it's a MJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 hour ago, 89eliminator said: "605287 JEEP 44 Rear 1986 XJ Metric Ton Truck" "605325 JEEP 44 Rear 1987-93 1/2 XJ Metric Ton Truck, XJ HD Truck" lol Both of those options likely exist and were installed in MJ Comanches. When they say "XJ Metric Ton Truck" they mean Comanche, as they were using the MJ designation for military stuff because they're Dana/Spicer and not AMC/Jeep. Somebody on here posted an 86 MJ with a D44 in it that appeared to be factory by all indications, yet it was not the same D44 that was used in the 87-92 Metric Tonne MJs. I bet the BOM quite possibly would have matched that first one. Yes, we commonly believe all 86 Metric Tonnes got the AMC 20, but there is likelihood that some got a D44, but few enough that disorganized AMC never included it in their parts manuals. AMC was notorious for bolting in whatever was around, switching suppliers mid year or midday, buying whatever fell off the truck, etc. Also dates from Dana/Spicer don't always line up with what the vehicle manufacturer uses, as Dana will build axles in batches to supply production for an assumed timespan, which may not be the actual timespan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, DirtyComanche said: I''m assuming you meant 88, because you certainly could get a D44 front in a FSJ in 81. Well, you could in 88 too, for that matter, the Grand Wagoneer used them until the end of production in 91ish. Like I said I just glanced - all of a minute or two because I didn't really care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jeep Driver said: You know I have seen reference in many places the full size like the J10 being referred to as a Comanche I'm wondering if this guy's got a full size Jeep and he thinks it's a MJ Yes, there's lots of confusion with people assuming that J trucks were Comanches, and people assuming that a Grand Wagoneer is a Cherokee or vice versa, along with SJ Cherokees being confused with XJ Cherokees, and whatnot else. The XJ I bought from a very grumpy guy who refused to answer any questions on the phone and had no pictures. I thought I was going to buy a SJ Cherokee because the ad said it was an 82 Cherokee, and there's no XJs in those years. I showed up with a trailer, and it turned out it was a turd of an XJ, but hey it was still cheap enough that I wasn't going to go home empty handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 3 hours ago, gogmorgo said: South American XJ's did supposedly get a HP Dana44 front axle, although again I have no photographic evidence of that. And it's unlikely one would've floated itself north. The deeper I dig into the various projects I've gotten myself into the more I think I'll eventually find myself travelling around the world by hopping from wrecking yard to wrecking yard... I believe they are in fact outfitted as such, and I believe there was pictures on NAXJA. That said, if I don't quit my jerb I'll probably be working down there next winter, so I WILL be looking for them. And if I can get one, I might well attempt to smuggle it back for 'research.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 hour ago, DirtyComanche said: I believe they are in fact outfitted as such, and I believe there was pictures on NAXJA. That said, if I don't quit my jerb I'll probably be working down there next winter, so I WILL be looking for them. And if I can get one, I might well attempt to smuggle it back for 'research.' They were, but they were built under license in Venezuela, not built in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeppapa Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 I’ve ran across 2 XJ 1986 PIONEERS with D44s under them. These trucks looked like they had every option available at the time. Found 1 in LA and 1 recently in KC it had a snow plow mount on the front. Interesting that both had the same paint and interior color and fabric. After that I’m always checking under those early xjs. My 2001 xj is a sport but with the upcountry package and it’s got 44s under it. I bought it from the original owner and he special ordered it that way. Said he waited almost 4 months for it. It was a towed vehicle behind a pusher diesel puller RV. The guy had money so he could order what ever he wanted. I just go lucky. He put it on the net for 20mins before I called. It only have 8,000 miles on it. That was in 2008. Payed 13,000 I just got lucky. I always check under those XJs u never know. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 17 minutes ago, jeeppapa said: I’ve ran across 2 XJ 1986 PIONEERS with D44s under them. These trucks looked like they had every option available at the time. Found 1 in LA and 1 recently in KC it had a snow plow mount on the front. Interesting that both had the same paint and interior color and fabric. After that I’m always checking under those early xjs. My 2001 xj is a sport but with the upcountry package and it’s got 44s under it. I bought it from the original owner and he special ordered it that way. Said he waited almost 4 months for it. It was a towed vehicle behind a pusher diesel puller RV. The guy had money so he could order what ever he wanted. I just go lucky. He put it on the net for 20mins before I called. It only have 8,000 miles on it. That was in 2008. Payed 13,000 I just got lucky. I always check under those XJs u never know. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Do you own a camera? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Eagle said: They were, but they were built under license in Venezuela, not built in the USA. That's where these were made too: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omega_rugal Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 On 26/2/2018 at 10:26 PM, jeeppapa said: I’ve got a chance to get a Dana 60 that’s already under a Comanche. are they selling the axle or the whole comanche? buy the whole truck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeppapa Posted March 7, 2018 Author Share Posted March 7, 2018 are they selling the axle or the whole comanche? buy the whole truck... Unfortunately is beat to hell. Only good interior piece is the headliner and I have an extra. Only 2x4 and the part I’m looking for the R side bed panel is bashed. The Left is good has 346,000 on it. I’ve got diner xj so it’s a no go for me, but I did think about it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Eagle said: They were, but they were built under license in Venezuela, not built in the USA. So they're likely Venezuelan market only and unless I want to dodge gunfire from feuding druglords I'm probably not going to see one. 10-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogmorgo Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Well they didn't start building them anywhere else in South American (Argentina) until '96, so you never know what you'll find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 3 hours ago, jeeppapa said: I’ve ran across 2 XJ 1986 PIONEERS with D44s under them. These trucks looked like they had every option available at the time. Found 1 in LA and 1 recently in KC it had a snow plow mount on the front. Interesting that both had the same paint and interior color and fabric. After that I’m always checking under those early xjs. My 2001 xj is a sport but with the upcountry package and it’s got 44s under it. I bought it from the original owner and he special ordered it that way. Said he waited almost 4 months for it. It was a towed vehicle behind a pusher diesel puller RV. The guy had money so he could order what ever he wanted. I just go lucky. He put it on the net for 20mins before I called. It only have 8,000 miles on it. That was in 2008. Payed 13,000 I just got lucky. I always check under those XJs u never know. Mate, I'm now officially calling you out for spewing bull$#!&. I special ordered TWO 2000 XJs from the factory. I went over every option available. The only axles used for the front of 2000 and 2001 XJs were low-pinion Dana 30s, and for the rear axle the choices were Dana 35 (with ABS) or Chrysler 8.25 (w/o ABS). Jeep had long since stopped offering the Dana 44 as an optional, heavy duty axle by 2000 and 2001. Special order from the factory meant you could pick from what they offered (and some combinations weren't available), it didn't mean you could buy something that Jeep didn't offer and they'd run out and get one for your vehicle. There are only two options here: Either you're trolling us, or you need to do more homework before engaging the keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, HOrnbrod said: That's where these were made too: Thanks for torturing me again. AFAIK there is only ONE of these that ever made it to the USA ... and I don't own it. WAAAAAH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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