87MJTIM Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I am going to look at an '89 XJ with a 4.0, automatic and a NP242 transfer case. The owner says it is original not modified, so the axle gears are 3.55. I know (believe) that the front axle is a Non-CAD Dana 30 - Good. What would the rear axle be: Dana 35 (bad) or Dana 44 (good)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 no way to know based on that info. could be either. make sure you can recognize the diff-erence before you poke your head underneath. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87MJTIM Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Thanks. I know what to look for. I thought (hoped) that a 44 was a factory default for 242. I will find out this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minuit Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 If it's an 89 with the 242 there's a chance it could have the murderous Bendix ABS system on it. Just something else to watch out for. The way you tell is that the Bendix system doesn't have the usual brake booster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I am going to look at an '89 XJ with a 4.0, automatic and a NP242 transfer case. The owner says it is original not modified, so the axle gears are 3.55. I know (believe) that the front axle is a Non-CAD Dana 30 - Good. What would the rear axle be: Dana 35 (bad) or Dana 44 (good)? With the 242, the front should not have the CAD, so that much is correct. The D44 was not part of the 242 option, it was part of the trailer towing package, so the rear axle could be either a D35 or a D44 -- more likely a D35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 There's maybe a 5% chance it has a D44 rear. If that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87MJTIM Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 I can always hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankTheDog Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 In 89 it was probably closer to 1%. I have never seen a Dana 44 in any Cherokee except 87 Wagoneers with the tow package. I've had 3 of them so far. All dark blue. I have seen two more 87's locally that have 44's that were gray Wagoneers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasbulliwagen Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 In some of the grands that had the full time transfer case option, they also had limited slip axles. Would this be the case for the Comanche as well, or was that not the case back then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Did someone mention 44 Cult? Couldn't resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 In some of the grands that had the full time transfer case option, they also had limited slip axles. Would this be the case for the Comanche as well, or was that not the case back then? Full-time transfer case "option"? I wasn't aware the Grand Cherokee came any way other than full-time. The early ones had some funky transfer case that the off-roaders hate -- 247, maybe? -- that didn't do something. Was it no low range? The later ones (in the ZJ series) I thought all had the 242. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I thought the first Grand Cherokee was the ZJ? There were Grand Wagoneers prior to that but the FSJ Cherokee died without a Grand model, didn't it? Anyhow the FSJ Chero used both the Dana 20 ( '79-back) and NP207 ( '80- up) part time cases mainly on the stick shift models. The Grand Waggy did have low range options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 In some of the grands that had the full time transfer case option, they also had limited slip axles. Would this be the case for the Comanche as well, or was that not the case back then? Full-time transfer case "option"? I wasn't aware the Grand Cherokee came any way other than full-time. The early ones had some funky transfer case that the off-roaders hate -- 247, maybe? -- that didn't do something. Was it no low range? The later ones (in the ZJ series) I thought all had the 242. The ZJ and the WJ could have the NV247 AFAIK. It's got a viscous coupling that always fails. Junk. They also could have the NV242, but it is not the same as the XJ version as it uses some odd internal arrangement to move the shift forks, I believe it's a cable. They have problems with popping out of part time 4wd under load. As to the limited slip axles, there was options for them on the ZJ and WJ I believe. They aren't a clutch pack setup. I believe they use a VC instead? The one out of the front axle might be worth swapping in if somebody had the time and interest. I'm totally not a ZJ/WJ guy though, so there is absolutely no warranty on this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minuit Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I have seen early ZJs with the 231. Don't know if they dropped the option later on since I haven't seen a 231 in a late ZJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I thought the first Grand Cherokee was the ZJ? There were Grand Wagoneers prior to that but the FSJ Cherokee died without a Grand model, didn't it? Anyhow the FSJ Chero used both the Dana 20 ( '79-back) and NP207 ( '80- up) part time cases mainly on the stick shift models. The Grand Waggy did have low range options. Yes, the first generation of Grand Cherokee was the ZJ. Prior to that there was the SJ Grand Wagoneer, prior to that they were just Called a Cherokee or a Wagoneer. The SJ Cherokee/Wagoneer (maybe only came in Wagoneers and J-trucks?) could be had with the Borg-Warner Quadratrac (BW1305 had no low range, BW1339 had low range) full time tcase. The later Grand Wagoneer came with the NP228 (open diff in full time) and NP229 (I believe a VC style limited slip in full time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87MJTIM Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 The one I am going to look at (if the person calls me back. I did speak with him) is an XJ. One of the photos on CL clearly shows the tcase shifter with "2wd-4full-4part-N-4low" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeppapa Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 In 89 it was probably closer to 1%. I have never seen a Dana 44 in any Cherokee except 87 Wagoneers with the tow package. I've had 3 of them so far. All dark blue. I have seen two more 87's locally that have 44's that were gray Wagoneers. Found a tan wagoner an 86 tow package D-44s in a yard. Think it got crushed dam shame. I didn't need them but thought someone would grab them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 In 89 it was probably closer to 1%. I have never seen a Dana 44 in any Cherokee except 87 Wagoneers with the tow package. I've had 3 of them so far. All dark blue. I have seen two more 87's locally that have 44's that were gray Wagoneers. Found a tan wagoner an 86 tow package D-44s in a yard. Think it got crushed dam shame. I didn't need them but thought someone would grab them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk XJ? Because I don't think any 86 XJ came with a D44. Now, that said, that's AMC days, and just about anything could have happened because AMC. IIRC, somebody on here posted up an 86 MJ with a D44 rear at one point, which the BOM did not match to anything that made any sense, nor was it the same as an 87-92 MJ D44, but it was the correct width and bolt pattern and definitely a truck D44, leaving one to assume it must have been one of those All Makes Combined moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 The one I am going to look at (if the person calls me back. I did speak with him) is an XJ. One of the photos on CL clearly shows the tcase shifter with "2wd-4full-4part-N-4low" It's a NP242. Sorry we've absolutely mangled this thread with random sidetracks and off-topics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 If the vehicle in question has ABS, I would consider walking away, or plan on swapping in vac booster/master cyl setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87MJTIM Posted June 12, 2017 Author Share Posted June 12, 2017 Parts, parts and more parts. Parts is parts. I'm not looking to drive it. I just want the parts. Pw windows & locks, cruise, ECM, any sensors and wiring harness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankTheDog Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 If the seats are in good shape they'll be comfy. The front axle should be non disconnect with larger ujoints. The 89 limited I took apart had a D35 rear. Eagle ended up with the front axle and drivetrain and I think the seats too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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