ChryslerElectricals:( Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Ok, so my headliner is all sagged down and annoying and i was looking to pin up an American flag when i fix it. I was looking into the best way to do this when i came across several threads that had come out rather heated, saying that this was disrespectful and flags shouldn't be used in that way and t-shirts with flags are disrespectful. I know i need to take it with a grain of salt but does anyone else feel this is wrong. To clarify i will be putting it up "right" (pins, no glue, and no cutting, I'll make sure it isn't damaged) As long as its kept clean is it really different from flying it up a pole, all in the name of 'Murica of course. Keep in mind I live in the least population dense county in Indiana and Farm for a living, People treat 70's highboys like rugged gold. So with the best intentions, is it really bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw star Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 As military, I don't find display of it offensive. As long as its not stomped on or covered in dirt like these idiot kids do with it behind their mud trucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 As former military, I DO find it offensive. I think your intentions are good, but what you are discussing is improper in the extreme. I suggest you Google up the U.S. Flag Code and read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbyluvv Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I don't care for it either. A POW flag would be a better choice in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyav8r Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Agree with Eagle and Shelbyluv, our flag represents the character and beliefs of our nation and the blood of those who have sacrificed defending it. The flag should not be used as an ornament. It should be properly and respectfully displayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 if is a real flag it is not cool. If it is flag like cloth fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 if is a real flag it is not cool. If it is flag like cloth fine. Not according to the Flag Code. No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor. (a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property. ( B) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise. © The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free. (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general. (e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way. (f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling. (g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything. (i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown. (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. (k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Since we're quoting, this is what the Flag Code is: The United States Flag Code establishes advisory rules for display and care of the national flag of the United States of America. It is Chapter 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U.S.C. § 1 et seq). This is a U.S. federal law, but the penalty described in Federal Law 18 USC Section 700 for failure to comply with it is not enforced. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Eichman that prohibiting desecration of the U.S. flag conflicts with the First Amendment right to freedom of speech and is therefore unconstitutional. Condensed, the Flag Code is an "advisory" Federal law that can't be enforced because of the freedoms granted by the Constitution. So you can do anything you want with the US flag. To the OP's question: "Is this really offensive?" To me, hell yes. I wouldn't even consider it. Find another option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 if is a real flag it is not cool. If it is flag like cloth fine.Not according to the Flag Code. No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor. (a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property. ( B) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise. © The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free. (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general. (e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way. (f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling. (g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything. (i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown. (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. (k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning. I said a flag-like cloth not a flag. An example would be an abstract red,white, and blue design on a white back ground. I specifically said that using a flag was "not cool." Everything of those colors or inspired by that design does not constitute a flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw star Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 This was more along what I was thinking. You can buy this T-shirt material with a flag print on it. Not fit for actual flag usage but people make flag crafts with it all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Flag-like items. Not flags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Flag-like items. Not flags To me, those are extremely offensive. They're mocking the flag. I'm sure they don't see it that way, but that's how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I'm a somewhere in the middle when it comes to this topic. I understand that the people need a way to show pride in their country without resorting to carrying a 3x5 on a pole everywhere they go. I don't like using an actual flag for anything but as a flag, but would make peace with a stars and stripes themed headliner. USA floormats? hell no. You can't completely ignore the meaning and intention behind it. for example, burning a US flag as a protest (while technically legal) is in very poor taste and you probably deserve the beat-down that's likely coming your way. But burning a US flag in an official ceremony to retire a worn out piece of cloth is perfectly proper. I was in Boy Scouts for many years and retired dozens of flags. Each one done by the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 OP, just do what you want with the US flag. If you have to ask if it's offensive, I think you already know the answer. Some folks will like it; some might want to kick your azz. Even if done with the best intentions as you say, no one knows that. If I see a US flag used for something other than it's intended purpose, I think someone is trying to make a statement. But if you drive a Mini Cooper, it's okay. :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 wow! and I was just thinking to myself that I would buy a minicooper right htis minute if only I could get a Swedish flag on the roof! :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 The Swedish Christian Cross is nice and symmetrical Pete, but I kind of like the simplicity of the Japanese Rising Sun myself. But unfortunately I don't like Mini Coopers at all. :rotfl2: :rotfl2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Man do what you want just use it with respect! Anyone that would get upset for someone showing patriotism in our country is retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW86 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I say do what you want, after all this is America the land of the free. Someone showing pride isn't an insult to me. Your proud to have that flag up there or you wouldn't want to do it.. It's not like your throwing it on the ground and throwing up a black power sign.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minuit Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I agree with the people above that say it would be disrespectful towards the flag, BUT it's your truck and your decision to make. None of us can stop you and you aren't breaking any laws by doing it. Doesn't mean anyone else has to like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComancheFan1991 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 OP, just do what you want with the US flag. If you have to ask if it's offensive, I think you already know the answer. Some folks will like it; some might want to kick your azz. Even if done with the best intentions as you say, no one knows that. If I see a US flag used for something other than it's intended purpose, I think someone is trying to make a statement. But if you drive a Mini Cooper, it's okay. :yes: CTD-02 looks a 48 star roof "flag". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbaird1993 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 As an Army Vet, I will weigh in on this. I feel it is disrespectful. The only person a flag should drape over is a fallen soldier in his coffin. That being said, said soldier died for your right to do as you please and to not do what you want would in my own personal opinion, disgrace said soldiers memory. If you do chose to do it, please do so respectfully, cleanly, and neatly. Don't let it get burnt with cigarettes or covered in mud. Keep it in good condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildman4x4 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I've got to ask "WHY?" Why do you want to use a flag as a headliner? Seems to me there are tons of other types of cloth that could be used. But that is just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesman727 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 This is why I don't ask to do things. I just do them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSimon Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I think when it comes to "offending others", our society has gotten so far out of control with political correctness that's it's becoming destructive. Telling someone else to "stop doing that, it offends me" is the ultimate in anti-freedom hypocritical BS. But the Flag is different. Many US soldiers shed their blood, died, or watched their friends die to support what the American Flag represents. They had to go through hell so the rest of us can be free and comfortable .... and the Flag represents WHY they chose to do so. So I will personally go to great lengths to treat the Flag with reverence and respect and will do my best to avoid offending a veteran who fought for me and my family. Sure, some veterans might seem over-sensitive to this issue ... but they have a right to be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Some of us are perhaps more sensitive about some of this stuff than others. Late this afternoon I had a phone call from a friend. I'm not sure how it came up (I guess something about Veterans' Day), but he reminded me that I went on a rant over a bulk e-mail his company sent out to clients just before Memorial Day, thanking veterans for their sacrifices. I wrote to him immediately to remind him that Memorial Day is to honor those who gave their lives, and that we veterans who survived have our own day, in November. What we agreed on is that our schools today are woefully negligent (intentionally so, unfortunately) in teaching kids today what the meaning of these holidays is, and teaching respect for the flag and for the Constitution. Yeah, I do get a bit preachy about that stuff sometimes. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain in the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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