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:fs1: THAT is NOT good news. One of the things that the article has NOT discussed, and we all know how the Media is bought, er, biased, to report what the Gov't. wants you to know, is the HOW of this affecting people on fixed income/very low income. I mean, honestly, think about what you are looking at having happen, most likely: some one with an income like above trades in their payed for car, gets a new car because of the "voucher" credit towards the car. Then, the insurance rates go up, because, now, the new car is going to cost more to insure, plus the $$$ every month to make the new car payment. Miss the payemnts enough, and now, NO MORE NEW CAR, or older payed for car, either. I fall into this catergory ( MAN, I HATE "classifications"), and I cannot afford a new vehicle, plus I DO NOT WANT THE FREAKIN' PILES that are being foisted on us as "Jeeps", let alone 4x4s'.

My '88 XJ is getting 24 MPG on the Interstate at 70, and the MJ is getting around 18-19, so the only thing that I can see as a "problem" is that I am driving something that DOES NOT need to be taken to a shop to be worked on by a "licensed" mech, nor can it be tracked with the freakin' OBD system, shutdown by some LEO with the right equipment, or other wise messed with by someone. OH, yeah. We, mostly Cali, need to get rid of Diane Fingerstain, and the rest of her ilk. Control happy W&%#$ ( Pelosi also).

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I heard rumblings about this awhile ago. It will come about in one form or another if they can figure out how to make it effective and yet still be PC. This one with mileage threshold is useless to their goals, but they tried to make it look like an energy bill in which case why not apply it to used cars too. Yet someone who wants to take advantage of it but was smart enough to have a decent mileage car gets screwed. (but that would be in keeping with some of the mortgage recue plans) They will try and try but there is no way some grouup won't get left out with this mentality. The safest is not to have a trade-in incentive and just give a tax break for an new car made in the US (that would be protectionism). Sure it could put a glut on the used car market lowering the value but then the really low valued ones would get scrapped by free market pressure. They are afraid every nonwrencher will buy these very cheap used cars all of a sudden instead of buying a new one. But wouldn't that create jobs in other areas? Free market pressures would come back into play again.

I don't understand this human reguirement for all or nothing. The economy works when there is a little bit of everything but they want a huge amount of people to buy a new car now. Still haven't learned that moderation is the key. It is for health. It's also for economic matters.

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They can pry my cold dead hands off of my mj....Or die tring! I will never give up my truck...... they want a war then they will get it......... :headpop: :fs1:

 

 

:idea: :idea: :idea: Ill just pack up all my crap and drive deep into the rockys......... :yes: :yes:

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Why the heck would I trade in my paid for truck/suv for a tiny car plus a monthly bill? :hmm:

 

What I see happening here is, people who are already looking for a new ride will buy some junker for a couple hundred and trade it in to get the discount. No benefits anywhere except to the consumer who pawns off that 3500 onto the rest of us.

 

Damn I hate the government and their insanity. :fs1:

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http://www.freep.com/article/20090610/N ... r+clunkers

 

here's an update... it passed its first hurdle, and says that you would have to own a trade in for at least a year to be able to get the voucher... at least they were smart about one thing... keeping people from quickly buying a gas guzzler to trade it in on the voucher...I'm not saying I agree with this whole thing, but it is completely voluntary, says that the traded vehicle would be crushed, and its only value then would be the voucher, so its not like my car is worth 3000, and I get a voucher for 4500, equal to 7500 toward a new car, no its just the voucher value.

 

Being I work for a dealer, I wonder if we could get any good parts off these thoings before they go to the crusher??? :brows:

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Wow, now I'm really concerned about the caliber of the members of Congress. The bill doesn't support their goal. Maybe they are a lot more coy they I give them credit. Perhaps they purposely wrote a flawed bill to be ineffective yet satisfy the people who want one. However, it looks like typical management mentality, now that they own a company or two, that is looking for a quick fix regardless of the facts. Do they all go double or nothing when they are losing? Gee, you only need one good deal to - break even, but many chances to fall deeper.

Why don't they turn the factories to make all the same vehicle to save cost? It's a shame the American dream now is to win the lottery or sue someone if that fails. What happen to work hard and get ahead? You know provide a product or service that is desired.

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What do you guys think? I know this has been tried befroe in different ways, but I don't think Ive seen it applied as an incentive like this. I know the classic car industry will be up in arms about it.

 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... wD98N0K6O1

 

We have an administration that spends our money on such stupid stuff as this without asking us if we want to spend our money this way. So many of them, led by our president, seem to think they have every right to spend money as they see fit and to tax us into poverty in order to pay for it. The following link takes you to something that says it all very well:

 

http://webmailb.juno.com/webmail/8?fold ... 1244651339

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  • 2 weeks later...

Have you seen the latest press on this one? Not everyone can take advantage of it, limited in scope, and won't do what they want except increase spending.

1. Must get worst than 18 mpg - according to who? Not a whole lot of cars get less than EPA 18 mpg except big trucks, SUV

2. 4 mpg increase gets you $3500, $10 mpg gets you $4500. - brings this part of the fleet up to 28mpg, which is not much of an improvement. If the goal is to sell more trucks to help the Big Three, how many new trucks qualify? Maybe if you had a 12-16 mpg truck.

3. The latest version expires in Sept or so - very limited window. Haven't they heard consumers are timid these days(job market). Still a big expenditure even with the incentive. Thank goodness we still have some wealthy people here.

4. This one realy gets me - 25 years or older do not qualify??????????? Was this to appease the collector car owners? Because otherwise they will trade their 'Baby'. Or is it to jab the the guy who makes his car last but has some cash to finally buy new, but he gets left out? I really can't figure the rational for this condition.

 

A sale is a sale. I hope they didn't break something with all this thinking/dealing they were doing.

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4. This one realy gets me - 25 years or older do not qualify??????????? Was this to appease the collector car owners? Because otherwise they will trade their 'Baby'. Or is it to jab the the guy who makes his car last but has some cash to finally buy new, but he gets left out? I really can't figure the rational for this condition.

I read the above article yesterday. Today I was cruising past the local salvage "junk" yard and noticed a Black 1967, SS (badged), Camaro sitting behind the fence. All I could think was, no way would I want to see that car sold to the govt and destroyed for a mere $4500. Its worth at least that sitting in the yard.

 

In any case, this will never do a damn thing for the economy. The folks who are driving the 1990 Taurus that burns oil and leaks tranny fluid do not want higher property taxes, higher insurance rates, or that extra monthly payment. The leaders of the obamanation do not think through much. Makes me sick. :smart:

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Like I said in the other thread.... This really is much to do about nothing from our perspective...

 

You are not going to find many owners of our vehicles willing to trade for a $3500-$4500 voucher on some piece of crap from Toyota,Kia or Government Motors. If you are in the market for new vehicle already, or you are in a VERY slim portion of the population that wanted to rid yourself of your old Suburban you bought when your kids were young and now want to get a Smart Car. Then you would interested.

 

You have to remember that Congress is controlled by Socialists from the People's Demokratic Republic of Kalifornia. Now these idiots can say 'look we promoted better fuel economy. You didn't take the bait, so its not our fault gas prices are $5 a gallon'.

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