derf Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 So I'm planning some modifications for my project Jeep. I'm looking at using one of the factory switch holes for a custom function. Short version is I want a toggle switch that will let me force first or second gear when I shift down to 1-2, or to leave it in "factory mode" where it shifts itself. I have the wiring figured out with a couple of relays. I just need a switch. An aftermarket switch will work but if I can find one that looks factory, it would be cooler. The switch needs to be a single pole double throw switch with on-off-on positions. It would work similarly to the XJ rear wiper/washer switch except that the wash position on the XJ switch is a momentary switch (i.e. it goes back to off when you take your finger off it). What I want is to be able to set the switch up, down, or middle and it stays there until I switch it again. Was there ever an application that used an on-off-on switch that wasn't a momentary switch? If so, where would I find one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy in Pa Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I have never seen a factory one. What is your goal? To be able to lock/hold it into just 1st gear, or to also lock/hold it into 2nd gear as well? I can say that I use one of those small Radesigns shifters on my XJ, and love the ability to lock it into any gear when rock crawling. I used an aftermarket version of an On-Off-On switch for the same reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derf Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 Yeah, my goal is to have 3 choices: 1. Factory normal operation (off) 2. Force first gear (on 1) 3. Force second gear (on 2) And I want to do it so that if the computer wants 3rd or 4th, the switches are bypassed. I have the wiring and relays figured out. I have an aftermarket switch that would work. I would prefer a factory style switch if one exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCB89MJ Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 You might want to check this out for trans control. I have one of his clock rems for engine monitor AW4 Nifty Shifter JR V1.2 (96 Down) https://nickintimedesign.com/shop/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntXTQAsO_sc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derf Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 Saw that. I am going to roll my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertRat1991 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, TCB89MJ said: You might want to check this out for trans control. I have one of his clock rems for engine monitor AW4 Nifty Shifter JR V1.2 (96 Down) https://nickintimedesign.com/shop/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntXTQAsO_sc You just blew my mind with that video link... I had no idea that smart @$$ from YT was the same guy that makes the RENIX engine monitors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I *may* be able to modify a factory switch for you. Working on your switch trim cover already but let me see about the switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derf Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 7 hours ago, ghetdjc320 said: I *may* be able to modify a factory switch for you. Working on your switch trim cover already but let me see about the switch. That would be awesome if you can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatslug87 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Is it easier to modify a momentary On-Off-momentary On switch? The rear power window switch from a Grand Wagoneer is this type and looks pretty close to the others. The one on the right in the clock panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derf Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 I've never taken one of the factory switches apart. I don't know how easy it would be to modify them. I have a few switches to play with. I might try taking them apart to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 7 hours ago, fiatslug87 said: Is it easier to modify a momentary On-Off-momentary On switch? The rear power window switch from a Grand Wagoneer is this type and looks pretty close to the others. The one on the right in the clock panel. That’s an interesting one. Any pic of the back side of that switch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatslug87 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 From what I remember it has 6 posts, I have another one I can dig out this evening and snap a picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokermjcomanche Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 This is just an example, but cole hersee has a lot to choose from https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cole-Hersee-Sealed-Rocker-Switch-Non-Illuminated-DPDT-On-Off-On-6-Blade-580/373329021667?epid=7028017945&hash=item56ec24cae3:g:DTUAAOSw3XBfqayD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derf Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share Posted November 11, 2020 Yeah, there's several aftermarket options. And that's my fall back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatslug87 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Here's the back of the Grand Wagoneer tailgate window switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derf Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 Plan B showed up today. I found some switches that will do what I want and fit in the factory holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derf Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 If you go to the Cole Hersee website, they have lots of options for those switches. The 58327 series has lights. The -01 is the single pole, single throw version. The -06 is the single pole, double throw. They make them without lights in them, as well as having double pole and momentary switches as well so you can find what you want. They're available on Amazon once you find the part number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 That grand wagoneer switch would probably have worked well too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 On 11/9/2020 at 4:58 PM, derf said: Yeah, my goal is to have 3 choices: 1. Factory normal operation (off) 2. Force first gear (on 1) 3. Force second gear (on 2) And I want to do it so that if the computer wants 3rd or 4th, the switches are bypassed. I have the wiring and relays figured out. I have an aftermarket switch that would work. I would prefer a factory style switch if one exists. I don't think you need a three position switch. If the TCU loses power, the tranny defaults to starting in first and skipping second (IIRC -- check the FSM for AW4 diagnostics). So I think all your switch has to do is interrupt power to one side of the 1-2 solenoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I just don’t understand the need to force 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derf Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 51 minutes ago, ghetdjc320 said: I just don’t understand the need to force 2nd. I want it to shift up from 1st to 2nd earlier than the computer does but I don't want it to go all the way to 3rd on it's own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiNi Beast Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 i have couple of these close to factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 7 hours ago, derf said: I want it to shift up from 1st to 2nd earlier than the computer does but I don't want it to go all the way to 3rd on it's own. Makes sense I just can’t picture the scenario at the moment. Either way, your custom switch panel is almost finished! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derf Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, ghetdjc320 said: Makes sense I just can’t picture the scenario at the moment. Either way, your custom switch panel is almost finished! Sometimes the trail is smooth-ish and I want to run in second without shifting up or down. It's annoying when the computer down shifts on you and leaving it in 3rd means it will up shift when you don't want it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 On 11/10/2020 at 3:05 PM, fiatslug87 said: Is it easier to modify a momentary On-Off-momentary On switch? The rear power window switch from a Grand Wagoneer is this type and looks pretty close to the others. The one on the right in the clock panel. Had to redirect this topic. Is that grand wagoneer switch momentary on in both directions like a regular power window switch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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