88whitemanche Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 What’s up fellas got my eye on a Waggy 44 front in the junkyard but looking into details of that and I ran into the Isuzu 44s to match the front wheel lug pattern... if I were to get both these axles I want to install them into my 4cyl comanche i currently have 4.88s and 35s but I still feel like I need a bit more grunt.... i know the waggy front I would have to regear to match the rear but are there any install kits for the Isuzu 44 from 5:13s and up? Sorry for beating a dead horse but there’s a lot of vague threads leading up to the install kits... Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 If I remember right, it's just a Dana 44. I don't think there's anything special about it like the 44a. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 39 minutes ago, Pete M said: If I remember right, it's just a Dana 44. I don't think there's anything special about it like the 44a. ^^ This. The gear guts are the same as any other D44. I used an Isuzu Trac-Lok carrier in my MJ D44 when I had it regeared. As far as 5:13s and up, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Yeah, it's a regular D44. 5.89 is the lowest gearset you can commercially source, AFAIK. It should (it is listed to) take the regular D44 setup kit. I would personally go with 5.13 over 5.89 for strength reasons. Check what ratio the D44 comes with, I don't know what was typical of them but the earlier 12 Bolt axle most often came with 4.56 gears (and there was another low ratio that was a little oddball but rare). The 12 Bolt is a great axle too as long as you're okay with the lack of aftermarket support, it is stronger than a D44 and has great ground clearance and disk brakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88whitemanche Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, DirtyComanche said: Yeah, it's a regular D44. 5.89 is the lowest gearset you can commercially source, AFAIK. It should (it is listed to) take the regular D44 setup kit. I would personally go with 5.13 over 5.89 for strength reasons. Check what ratio the D44 comes with, I don't know what was typical of them but the earlier 12 Bolt axle most often came with 4.56 gears (and there was another low ratio that was a little oddball but rare). The 12 Bolt is a great axle too as long as you're okay with the lack of aftermarket support, it is stronger than a D44 and has great ground clearance and disk brakes. I’ve seen as far what threads have mentioned 4.10, 4.30, 4.56 (rare) i want to go 5.38s for my 4cyl to prep IF I go 37s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 5.38s shouldn't be a problem, and they're commonly available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75sv1 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I have one. To my understanding there is an early model and a late model. I think the late model has different gears than standard. There is a site or thread on this somewhere on the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanLemons Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 There’s also the width issue with the Isuzu d44’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88whitemanche Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 hours ago, MeanLemons said: There’s also the width issue with the Isuzu d44’s. Would 1” spacers help? 7 hours ago, 75sv1 said: I have one. To my understanding there is an early model and a late model. I think the late model has different gears than standard. There is a site or thread on this somewhere on the net. What would be considered early models? All ive seen by far are 98-01 models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 no spacer needed if you get rims with less backspacing. the front is more of a concern than the rear since the Waggy front 44 is the same width as the Isuzu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/12/2018 at 12:17 PM, DirtyComanche said: Yeah, it's a regular D44. 5.89 is the lowest gearset you can commercially source, AFAIK. It should (it is listed to) take the regular D44 setup kit. I would personally go with 5.13 over 5.89 for strength reasons. Me too. Here's a killer deal on genuine Dana Spicer 5.13 gears: https://www.northridge4x4.com/part/ring-pinions/2020752-dana-dana-44-rear-gear-set-5-13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 hours ago, HOrnbrod said: Me too. Here's a killer deal on genuine Dana Spicer 5.13 gears: https://www.northridge4x4.com/part/ring-pinions/2020752-dana-dana-44-rear-gear-set-5-13 Those are JK gears. They aren't the same. I don't know about using them, as I don't think they use the same bearings and some of the dimensions are not the same, but Jantz Engineering might offer a kit to do so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, DirtyComanche said: Those are JK gears. They aren't the same. I don't know about using them, as I don't think they use the same bearings and some of the dimensions are not the same, but Jantz Engineering might offer a kit to do so? Yep, you're correct Dirty - thought I read they were for the regular D44's. Should have known better - all Northridge sells now is JK stuff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveevryjp1998 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I'm following this thread its awesome i have had the waggy front in my garage for the past 6 years. I had one in there for 3 years before that scrapped it regreted it and got the next one I seen. I was lucky these were the only 2 I ever found not pulled. Since day 1 I always wondered about that rear end. After about 5 years of having it in my garage I did some investigating and could find several in the yards with 4.10's and didnt know they could go higher. I soon found mj and xj 44 rears and forgotten about it. These isuzu 44s are still around in a few places and I might buy a couple if I can find them with the larger carrier and good disks. I kept the waggy front bcause It had new lockers calipers and brakes just bfore it hit the scrapyard and I couldnt let it get crunched. A full width longbed i6 ho mj would b sweet and I have just the truck for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 On 3/12/2018 at 2:22 PM, 88whitemanche said: I’ve seen as far what threads have mentioned 4.10, 4.30, 4.56 (rare) i want to go 5.38s for my 4cyl to prep IF I go 37s I'm right there with ya, I havent even finished my build and I am already thinking of more mods. 37s is the goal and was planning in the future to go with d44s to be able to get more gearing than the 5.13 limit in a d30 but in the mean time... if your 4.88s need a new home lmk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75sv1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 16 hours ago, 88whitemanche said: Would 1” spacers help? What would be considered early models? All ive seen by far are 98-01 models I looked through Car-Parts.com. Seems there are three gens. 95-97. These have the 4.56 ratio. I didn't look if there was discs and drums. 98-99. Then 2000-02. I would consider the 00-02 the late models. Still, I'd search on that. I've had my Waggy front for probably 10 years. Its PS drop. One of the companies says a Ford 9 brace will fit it. So, then I could but on an XJ/MJ brackets to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnj92131 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I have owned 2 different Isuzu Rodeos. Don't forget to look at Honda Passports of the same years. They are the same truck. First was a 1998 with V6, 2 wheel drive, 5 speed transmission. Factory rear end was 4.30 - Dana 44 Second was a 2001 with V6, 4 x 4, automatic trans. Factory gearing was 4.10 - Dana 44 front and rear. Both trucks have/had 6 bolt wheels and disk brakes on both front and rear Rear track was 1 inch narrower than the Comanche rear track. Links to some Isuzu forums below: http://forum.planetisuzoo.com/viewforum.php?f=25&sid=70607802c1a86e7669e85b00d536c775 http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/51-isuzu/ This thread has specific information installing a standard 5.13 gear set in the 98+ Rodeo rear end: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/isuzu/603807-definative-tech-thread-1998-isuzu-rear-dana-44-axle.html Hope this helps someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88whitemanche Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 hours ago, 75sv1 said: I looked through Car-Parts.com. Seems there are three gens. 95-97. These have the 4.56 ratio. I didn't look if there was discs and drums. 98-99. Then 2000-02. I would consider the 00-02 the late models. Still, I'd search on that. I've had my Waggy front for probably 10 years. Its PS drop. One of the companies says a Ford 9 brace will fit it. So, then I could but on an XJ/MJ brackets to that. From reading some of the posts on different forums and specifically the pirate forum mentioned above it’s gotta be from 97- axles that used common Dana 44 internals 1 hour ago, johnj92131 said: I have owned 2 different Isuzu Rodeos. Don't forget to look at Honda Passports of the same years. They are the same truck. First was a 1998 with V6, 2 wheel drive, 5 speed transmission. Factory rear end was 4.30 - Dana 44 Second was a 2001 with V6, 4 x 4, automatic trans. Factory gearing was 4.10 - Dana 44 front and rear. Both trucks have/had 6 bolt wheels and disk brakes on both front and rear Rear track was 1 inch narrower than the Comanche rear track. Links to some Isuzu forums below: http://forum.planetisuzoo.com/viewforum.php?f=25&sid=70607802c1a86e7669e85b00d536c775 http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/51-isuzu/ This thread has specific information installing a standard 5.13 gear set in the 98+ Rodeo rear end: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/isuzu/603807-definative-tech-thread-1998-isuzu-rear-dana-44-axle.html Hope this helps someone. Good info... the pirate4x4 link shows for 98+ Dana 44s on rodeos/passports that have the differences in sizes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88whitemanche Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 OK so pretty much post #35,36 on the pirate4x4 link defines what rear axle rodeo/passport to get..... i just saw that the jy has a 95 passport hell, just thinking about it for the front waggy 44 I might grab a later model rodeo lsd carrier and throw it in there to save for funds later down the road... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88whitemanche Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 Pulled the 87 waggy 44 front end went to check out the Isuzu 44s and all the covers have been drilled through to drop the oil from the diff....sucks only 1 had a limited slip (turning axle shaft) but to pull one of those axles i would need help.... its literally like a tj rear axle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88whitemanche Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 Just to add more info to this thread the pirate4x4 one doesn’t include part #s and this one does and it’s in a Chevy Colorado forum https://www.355nation.net/forum/projects-build/102458-dana-44-rear-axle-build-updated-parts-list-5-19-2014-a.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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