Jeep JL Scrambler

[HOrnbrod]

Not for me - barf. I so want a 2-DR JL pickup, but it'll probably never happen. This thing is about as far away from the original Scrambler as you can get. At least they didn't name it Comanche.....

[Minuit]

So basically it's just an official version of the JK truck conversions we've had for years? I could not be less interested. At least they didn't name it Comanche like you said - that would make me care, in a very negative way.

[Swampy]

looks like they finally got around to making the AEV Brute straight from the factory

[Pete M]

I figured out how to merge topics!  yay!  although Don, the second post looks to be a JK pickup (aev?) so you might want to adjust your text.  good comparison though, new to old.

 

I'd still drive one. :D  but there are a LOT of rides in front of that one in line for my (theoretical) money.

[HOrnbrod]

Hmmm, how did I do that? Fixed now - I think. Barf for both of them anyhow.

[87Warrior]

I was hoping for more than the Gladiator Concept we saw in 2004, but it is exactly what I thought it would be. 

 

I'd like to drive one. If the diesel variant blows the ZR2 babymax out of the water, I'll consider it after somebody else eats the depreciation for a few years

[Dzimm]

It may not be like the original scrambler in the sense of styling but as far as what it truly is (jeep Wrangler pickup variant) it is at heart a scrambler.

 

 It's the same as using the new Cherokee to create a new Comanche.  It's based off what they had at the time.  Could you imagine them using a Liberty to base the new "Scrambler" from?  That would just be weird.

 

I personally like that they are calling it the Scrambler.  I hope they come out with more options than just a 4dr diesel. 

[Eagle]

17 hours ago, Dzimm said:

 It's the same as using the new Cherokee to create a new Comanche.  It's based off what they had at the time.  Could you imagine them using a Liberty to base the new "Scrambler" from?  That would just be weird.

 

 

This thing is not a pickup truck. It's a Wrangler with a slightly longer/larger cargo area. I want Jeep to introduce a pickup again, which means a TRUCK, with a metal roof, an enclosed back to the cab, and a separate load box.

 

If they want to make a new version of the Scrambler, it would have to be more like this (excuse the crude MS Paint edit):

 

[Dzimm]

3 minutes ago, Eagle said:

 

This thing is not a pickup truck. It's a Wrangler with a slightly longer/larger cargo area. I want Jeep to introduce a pickup again, which means a TRUCK, with a metal roof, an enclosed back to the cab, and a separate load box.

Right.  That's not the point I was making.  My point is that the name Scrambler suits it for what it is.  As far as it being a truck, yeah a full roof is characteristic of a truck but it will be nice to be able to take it off if you wanted to.  Overall the frame of this truck is way longer than the Unlimited and I'm sure the bed and cab will be separate parts.  

 

I look at it as Jeep being Jeep.  They are different, Jeep doesn't conform to what society expects in a vehicle.  It's a more utility based platform designed for function over form.  I understand what you're saying and I do think if Chrysler took a Ram and put a Jeep logo on it, it would sell like hot cakes but the logo doesn't make a Jeep a Jeep. 

[HOrnbrod]

3 hours ago, Eagle said:

 

This thing is not a pickup truck. It's a Wrangler with a slightly longer/larger cargo area. I want Jeep to introduce a pickup again, which means a TRUCK, with a metal roof, an enclosed back to the cab, and a separate load box.

 

If they want to make a new version of the Scrambler, it would have to be more like this (excuse the crude MS Paint edit):

 

 

^^  That's nice. I would buy that. Just what I want...

[Eagle]

On 9/2/2017 at 11:20 AM, Dzimm said:

I look at it as Jeep being Jeep.  They are different, Jeep doesn't conform to what society expects in a vehicle.  It's a more utility based platform designed for function over form.  I understand what you're saying and I do think if Chrysler took a Ram and put a Jeep logo on it, it would sell like hot cakes but the logo doesn't make a Jeep a Jeep. 

 

Jeep hasn't been Jeep since 2001, when they killed off the Cherokee and stopped trail testing all new vehicles over the Rubicon Trail, instead driving over a couple of logs in a parking lot and calling them "Trail Rated." How can it be Trail Rated if it has never seen a trail?

 

Put a Jeep logo on a Ram? That's not what I'm talking about. The Comanche competed against the Dakota, and that's why Chrysler killed the Comanche. The Comanche in stock trim could go places no Dakota could possibly get to. Years ago, several clubs banded together to do a clean-up of a power line trail in Rhode Island. Deep into the trail, somebody found a huge pile of old roofing shingles on top of a hill off to the side of the trail. I said I'd get them and bring them to the dumpster. There was a local cop working with us. He said, "You'll have to go back out and miles around to get to them." I told him I was just going to drive up the hill. He said, "That's impossible." Three minutes later I was parked on top of the hill, loading shingles.

 

When you talk about function over form, people who buy pickup trucks generally aren't interested in the sun on their heads and the wind in their faces. A ragtop isn't part of the pickup truck scene. Jeeps are Jeeps because they can (or used to be able to) go off-road better than just about anything else. The new Wranglers can't even to that without a couple of thousand dollars worth of reinforcement for the front axle. And the dinky little bed on that thing isn't big enough to carry anything that really needs to be carried. It's a toy, not a truck.

 

Plus -- the proportions are all wrong. It's just UGLY.

[Jeep Driver]

Millennials..............

 

 

I keep telling you guys.............

 

 

Men ain't men anymore.

[HOrnbrod]

All those things Eagle you say are mostly true, but you are living in the past. The majority of the buying public today doesn't give a damn about any of it, unfortunately. FCA doesn't either; they care only about marketing and are doing a hell of a good job at it. They will sell these trucks as fast as they can turn them out whether we like them or not. You can't change progress, you adapt. If they eventually do market a 2-door pickup, I'll be all over it.

[Dzimm]

9 hours ago, HOrnbrod said:

All those things Eagle you say are mostly true, but you are living in the past. The majority of the buying public today doesn't give a damn about any of it, unfortunately. FCA doesn't either; they care only about marketing and are doing a hell of a good job at it. They will sell these trucks as fast as they can turn them out whether we like them or not. You can't change progress, you adapt. If they eventually do market a 2-door pickup, I'll be all over it.

Well said.  I too agree with most of what Eagle says but you have to look at it from the perspective of today....

 

9 hours ago, Jeep Driver said:

Millennials..............

 

 

I keep telling you guys.............

 

 

Men ain't men anymore.

...No matter how old you are.  Non of us in this thread are Millennials. lol

[Minuit]

2 hours ago, Jeep Driver said:

Millennials..............

 

 

I keep telling you guys.............

 

 

Men ain't men anymore.

This crap again............

 

I'd buy the hell out of what Eagle made. This thing? No way.

[Dzimm]

10 hours ago, Eagle said:

A ragtop isn't part of the pickup truck scene.

One thing I wanted to add is that I don't look at this as filling a hole in the "truck" scene.  This is built for the "Jeep" scene.  Open tops have been apart of Jeep since the beginning.  Yes not all the trucks had an open top but the earlier military ones did and the original Scrambler did.  This is a Jeep built for Jeep enthusiasts looking for more cargo space, this isn't for the "truck guy" looking for a replacement for his old workhorse Silverado.  

 

Along those lines, most trucks these days aren't used in the same way they used to be.  These days they are more like passenger vehicles (or a way to show how much a guy needs to compensate).  They are sometimes used to haul grass to the compost or to move a couch for a buddy and that's about it.  They aren't used the same way the were back when Jeep produced trucks and I see no reason why this wouldn't work well for most "city folk" who own trucks today. 

 

Currently there is a gap between a Jeep and a truck that I think this will fit nicely.  Chrysler probably won't build a Jeep branded truck that would be considered a "real" truck because that would compete with the Ram.  This gives us what we have been asking for, but in a way that won't hurt any of Chrysler's product lines.  The sad truth is that there probably won't be a "real" Jeep pickup unless Jeep is sold to another company, or the Dodge pickups are discontinued.  Both are highly unlikely.  For now, this is the Jeep truck we get and who knows, it may outperform your current expectations.  We can speculate all day long but we will just have to wait and see what this truck will truly be capable of. 

[RustyRodder]

10 hours ago, Dzimm said:

 Non of us in this thread are Millennials. lol

 

Hello

[Dzimm]

1 minute ago, RustyRodder said:

 

Hello

 

1 minute ago, RustyRodder said:

Non of us in this thread are Millennials. lol

Haha .... Up until 1 minute ago.. 

[HOrnbrod]

1 hour ago, Dzimm said:

 The sad truth is that there probably won't be a "real" Jeep pickup unless Jeep is sold to another company, or the Dodge pickups are discontinued.  Both are highly unlikely.

 

Don't be too sure:  http://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545771819/jeep-why-this-american-icon-could-soon-be-part-of-a-chinese-company

[Eagle]

1 hour ago, Dzimm said:

 

This gives us what we have been asking for, but in a way that won't hurt any of Chrysler's product lines. 

 

 

Speak for yourself, Matey. That pile of excrement sure isn't anything I've been asking for. It certainly isn't a successor to either the Comanche or the J-trucks.

 

Currently there is a gap between a Jeep and a truck that I think this will fit nicely.  Chrysler probably won't build a Jeep branded truck that would be considered a "real" truck because that would compete with the Ram.

 

The Ram is a full-size pickup. When my wife was alive, I spent a couple or three months every year in her native country, in South America, every year. Cherokees and Comanches were VERY popular, along with a 4-door, crew cab version of the Chevy S-10, with a box that was probably only five or five and a half feet long. I only remember seeing ONE Dodge Ram pickup in all the time I spent there, and it was so huge (comparatively) that it was totally out of place. It took up two of their parking spaces. I know about the American love affair with monster trucks but, worldwide, there's a healthy potential market for a smaller pickup, and Jeep is a well-known and respected brand in South America. It would sell. This pseudo 4-door "Scramber" wannabe? Highly unlikely it will sell in South America. People there want multi-purpose vehicles that can carry a family and still do some real work.

[Dzimm]

8 hours ago, Eagle said:

9 hours ago, Dzimm said:

 

This gives us what we have been asking for, but in a way that won't hurt any of Chrysler's product lines. 

 

 

Speak for yourself, Matey. That pile of excrement sure isn't anything I've been asking for. It certainly isn't a successor to either the Comanche or the J-trucks

You have to read this statement as a whole, there is a "but" in there.  We've been asking for a truck, this is the truck we are getting that doesn't hurt Chrysler.  It's a compromise.

 

8 hours ago, Eagle said:

The Ram is a full-size pickup. When my wife was alive, I spent a couple or three months every year in her native country, in South America, every year. Cherokees and Comanches were VERY popular, along with a 4-door, crew cab version of the Chevy S-10, with a box that was probably only five or five and a half feet long. I only remember seeing ONE Dodge Ram pickup in all the time I spent there, and it was so huge (comparatively) that it was totally out of place. It took up two of their parking spaces. I know about the American love affair with monster trucks but, worldwide, there's a healthy potential market for a smaller pickup, and Jeep is a well-known and respected brand in South America. It would sell. This pseudo 4-door "Scramber" wannabe? Highly unlikely it will sell in South America. People there want multi-purpose vehicles that can carry a family and still do some real work.

This is very true but it's built for the American market, in the American market it doesn't need to be a real workhorse anymore.  Like I said above most trucks these days are used as grocery getters and passenger vehicles.  Not one person I know actually uses their truck for real "truck work"  I'm sure for this to sell well in other countries that still use trucks as workhorses, it won't sell great unless it is actually capable and there is a smaller 2 door option that comes out.  

 

We have to remember that this a Jeep and it has been surprising what kind of capability they can create in these unlikely and small packages.  Yeah it may look kind of funky but if it performs well, why does it matter that much? Aren't all Jeeps funky in their own way? 

[Dzimm]

9 hours ago, HOrnbrod said:

 

Don't be too sure:  http://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545771819/jeep-why-this-american-icon-could-soon-be-part-of-a-chinese-company

I looked into this pretty heavily and it won't happen.  The motor company in China has come out and said they aren't looking to buy Chrysler and don't know where the rumor came from.  I've also seen talk among some people in the legal field that the government would step in and stop the sale on the grounds that China would receive US technology and could pose a threat to national security.    

 

There is a good video on it on one of the TFL YouTube channels. 

[Jeep Driver]

30 minutes ago, Dzimm said:

I looked into this pretty heavily and it won't happen.  The motor company in China has come out and said they aren't looking to buy Chrysler and don't know where the rumor came from.  I've also seen talk among some people in the legal field that the government would step in and stop the sale on the grounds that China would receive US technology and could pose a threat to national security.    

 

There is a good video on it on one of the TFL YouTube channels. 

They have nukes and ICBMs............what exactly does the 2018 Cherokee possess in the way of 'tech' that China does not already have?

How is whatever tech they might gain.......they won't gain anything........a national security threat?

 

 

 

 

[Jeep Driver]

Jeep Cherokee production begins in China

 

The first Jeep Cherokee produced in China rolled off the assembly line on Monday, marking a significant milestone for the sport utility vehicle brand.

Executives with Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV and Guangzhou Automobile Group, its Chinese joint-venture partner, were joined by senior government officials for a special event at the company’s Changsha plant, where the vehicle will be produced for that market.

“Today marks a milestone in the history of our brand,” said Mike Manley, head of Jeep and chief operating officer of the Asia-Pacific region.

The GAC Fiat Chrysler Automobiles joint venture expects full Cherokee production in November, with deliveries to begin before the end of the year. By 2016, the Jeep brand’s portfolio in China is expected to consist of three new models, including the locally-produced Jeep Cherokee and Jeep Renegade.

China is an important part of Jeep’s global expansion through 2018. Fiat Chrysler plans to produce 1.9 million Jeeps by 2018 at 10 plants in six countries: the U.S., Italy, China, Brazil, India and one other yet-to-be-announced country. Two years ago, only 798,000 rolled out of four plants in the United States.

 

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/chrysler/2015/10/19/jeep-cherokee-china/74210338/

[Jeep Driver]

Jeep Cherokee is still in Production in China

 

This is the good old Jeep Cherokee, still in production in China today. Name is different: Beijing Auto Works Knight S12. The Knight is a left-over from the Beijing-Jeep joint venture (later Beijing-Chrysler, later Beijing-Daimler-Chrysler). The JV made the Cherokee in China from 1984 until 2009. When Chrysler-in-crisis pulled out in 2009 Beijing Auto Works, a subsidiary of BAIC, continued production of the Cherokee all by itself.

 

 

Jeep Cherokee is still in Production in China

 

Link will not paste......article is from CarNewsChina.com