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I will buy the Gladiator Concept version but doubt I would touch any others but

that Article is saying by 2020 so they are just blowing smoke up the arses again...

 

As always I will believe it when I see it on the showroom Floor So until then I will continue to build my own version of the Gladiator concept...

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No offense OP, but don't waste your time on MSN website. Like 87Warrior said, they reuse the same photo from a decade ago. This article has at least one typo I saw from just a quick glance. They often posts clickbait like articles for the views and ad revenue. They like to post photo articles that require multiple clicks to view what you want. They have even posted known fake articles. They are just amateurs. Buzzfeed is reputable in my books or any major news source. And I hate the major news sources. I'm gonna stop myself now before I get political lol. 

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No offense OP, but don't waste your time on MSN website. Like 87Warrior said, they reuse the same photo from a decade ago. This article has at least one typo I saw from just a quick glance. They often posts clickbait like articles for the views and ad revenue. They like to post photo articles that require multiple clicks to view what you want. They have even posted known fake articles. They are just amateurs. Buzzfeed is reputable in my books or any major news source. And I hate the major news sources. I'm gonna stop myself now before I get political lol. 

Thought about that. But the purpose for the post was to point out the glaring comparison between what happened in 1991/2 (when they decided to kill the Comanche truck in favor of what eventually became the Dakota) and what the Ram concept boss has been quoted in this article. I suspect the Ram developers are worried a Gladiator-concept vehicle would somehow diminish the 'value' of their mid-size offering, and they are already considering how to upstage it.

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Akula, you are completely right. Especially with "Ram" only making trucks now. Its genius marketing idea on their part honestly. But obviously times have changed. The small and mid size truck market for new trucks is almost nonexistent now. Ford gave up on the Ranger in 2013, bringing it and Bronco back in 2020. Toyota dropped the Tacoma recently. Mazda can't do trucks without the Rangers, in America at least. The Ranger is still made for Asia. Really cool four door actually, we have them to Afghanistan Army and Police. Nissan's Frontier is still around but the new Titan is a rebadged F-150. Not sure if Colorado or S-10 equivalent is still in production.

 

Part of the problem with trucks in last decade is the president/EPA mandates for fuel economy. They were expected to increase fuel economy but a set date. The full size trucks, Ie F-150, have equal or better fuel economy than say a Ranger. I'm comparing a 2013 F-150 ecoboost automatic transmission to a Ranger of the same year. I remember working at a Ford dealership on 2013. My general manager bought every Ranger available from Ford, local dealerships, paid extra on trade in, and paid good cash for ones off the street. They were gold to him in his eyes, good call for Upstate NY, high gas prices, and near an Army installation.

 

I'm interested in the Comanche Concept as I stated in that thread. I think its the best small truck in a long time. Of course they'll reuse the Comanche name when the time comes. Look at the Cherokee name and the Grand Wagoneer resurgence of names. Interesting times for Jeep and family. I like how Fiat runs the company, advertises, and brands their companies. May not always agree on designs but I'm not always their target market. The new Cherokee took time to grow on me, I was a hater when it was announced and first on the road. Hate the exterior, almost all of the exterior. But love the interior.

 

So yeah there's my two cents or so.

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Got any sources for any of that?

GM wouldn't have brought back the Colorado/Canyon if there was no market. The Taco is still in production. The Titan may look a bit like an F150 but I have yet to see anything claiming they share components.

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gogmorgo, on 29 Mar 2016 - 4:13 PM, said:

Got any sources for any of that?

GM wouldn't have brought back the Colorado/Canyon if there was no market. The Taco is still in production. The Titan may look a bit like an F150 but I have yet to see anything claiming they share components.

I think its his .02 cents, as he said. But still, I agree with most of it. I understood the Canyons (GM) we gonna stop production in 2016/17 due to low sales, but the Nissan folks are balls to the wall with their "full" size offerings. And I see the folks pulling doubled-up Tacos down towards Mexico all the time... :doh:

 

The market is ripe for a mid to small offering, but as CC members are fully aware - its must have some curb appeal as well as off-road muscle. The question is: where do you stop the comfort and start the ability? I just don't want to see the concept die in birth because the Ram (read Dakota) boys can't leave well enough alone.

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Got any sources for any of that?

GM wouldn't have brought back the Colorado/Canyon if there was no market. The Taco is still in production. The Titan may look a bit like an F150 but I have yet to see anything claiming they share components.

No sources really. Sorry for slow reply.

The Tacoma thing I said is because of the Comanche Concept youtube video. Guy drives the truck and mentions it, I never researched it but assumed it to be true. It's the Internet!

While a quick Google search shows nothing saying the new 2016+ Titan is a rebadged F-150, it just looks like it to me.The grill, headlights, and side vent (that what its called?) under the hood all resemble Ford style. A salesman posted one on a local Facebook group and we had fun with it.... (such as: Didn't know y'all sold Fords now... Nice 60k F-150... etc..)

I don't see many Colorado/Canyon around me so I didn't even known they were around. I imagine their fuel economy isn't that great.

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We just picked up a trio of Colorado's at work. The one I drove home was a base model. 4-cyl extended can. Weird set of options on it... Power seats and windows but you have to roll the window down to adjust the mirror. But yes, I was less than impressed with performance vs mpg. On the sixty-mile all-highway trip home I averaged the same as I average mostly around town with my 2016 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel work truck, and unlike the Ecodiesel, the Colorado felt absolutely gutless (and that's coming from someone who drives a Lada) I'm curious about the 2.8L Duramax, though. A friend just ordered one, and it gets pretty good reviews.

The Taco just got a major update, and was named 4x4 of the year by Peterson's 4-wheel mag. Incidentally the diesel Colorado Z71 came in a very close second.

Like I said about the Titan, lots of people saying it looks like the F150 but Nissan denies using it as inspiration, and I have yet to see anything about Ford having anything to do with the design. But either way I'm not sure how it's relevant to a discussion on mid-size trucks.

 

Personally I'll be happy with a Renegade pick-up so long as it comes with a 7ft bed, 1400 lb payload capacity, and a 5000lb towing capacity. I'm not convinced it'll happen though...

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Personally I'll be happy with a Renegade pick-up so long as it comes with a 7ft bed, 1400 lb payload capacity, and a 5000lb towing capacity. I'm not convinced it'll happen though...

 

This.

 

The reason I bought a comanche is because I wanted a small truck that I could maneuver easily while still being able to haul things like lumber. I have a ram 1500 ext cab that is a royal pain to drive around. I had two friends come up to help with a couple trees I had dropped, one with a ranger and one with an S10, and both of them were driving circles around mine, fully loaded. The ram was great when I was hauling a trailer, but now that I'm not, I always feel that it's the wrong tool for the job. Sadly, I can't justify spending 20,000 + on a truck. So even if jeep came out with a new one, I wouldn't be looking to buy it til it hit the used market.

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I agree that most of us here wouldn't be in the market for a NEW Jeep pickup at $20-30,000 plus. We love our old trucks here which is the whole point of this forum. We are not the target market for new trucks, and even though we are highly opinionated on the new stuff, what we think doesn't matter. I do think it would be great to have a new truck, but as was said, a full size is too big for my needs and Id be too afraid to hurt or scratch/dent a new truck I was making huge payments on. It makes more sense for me to have an older small truck I can fix myself and not worry about, and spend the new car money on our family's daily and long trip commuter. We can all just hope though that they will make some cool stuff now so that maybe we can afford one down the road.   

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I agree that most of us here wouldn't be in the market for a NEW Jeep pickup at $20-30,000 plus.

Huh, I figure if a Jeep pickup comes to market it will run about $40k. I certainly wouldn't be in line to buy a new FCA vehicle. Then again, the newest vehicle I ever bought was already 8 months old at the time.
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I agree that most of us here wouldn't be in the market for a NEW Jeep pickup at $20-30,000 plus.

Huh, I figure if a Jeep pickup comes to market it will run about $40k. I certainly wouldn't be in line to buy a new FCA vehicle. Then again, the newest vehicle I ever bought was already 8 months old at the time.

 

 

 

I was assuming they'd be looking to compete with the Colorado with the Comanche concept, so around 20-30k. $40k puts them in full size territory, and I don't think Ram would be ok with that. Newest vehicle I've ever owned is an 01 neon, bought in 2012. Even though I used to be a programmer, I don't like a lot of computer control in my vehicle. Though with home scanners and diagnostic tools becoming affordable, that could change. The ability to read vacuum and other specs on the fly would make me more interested, but the closed wall and difficulty in doing so since their debut has burned me on them.

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Looked at the Car and Driver 25 Cars Worth Waiting For article again. They say the Wrangler pickup will be a 2018 model. C&D rated it #3 behind #1 Camaro Z71 (or some number), #2 Bugatti Chiron (1200 HP or more), and ahead of #4 Porsche 911R.

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