vaquaro Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Ya , I know I'm going to get some flack , But every XJ I looked at was over-priced , high milage Crap . Found the '02 Liberty Sport 4x4 ( 3.7 V6 -5spd ) Low miles , Super clean , all recalls done , New clutch , brakes , tires , AC pump , Price was right ... bought it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Warrior Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 No pictures? Whoah, I wasn't aware you could get a KJ with a 5 speed. Awesome! Enjoy your new rig... Oh, and post some pictures! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjeff87 Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 I'm in the same boat as you.....looking for an XJ and either finding all clapped out ones with 200K+ miles on them, or nice low-mileage ones that are SERIOUSLY overpriced. I'll admit, I've seen a few KJ's that caught my eye. :help: Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GirsMJ86 Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 I don't mind the older Libby's but the new ones I don't care for. Always liked the demin-ish blue offered on them. A friend just recently bought a 2012 and I keep calling it his "soccer mom" car and even told him I'm sticking one of those decals on his rear window along with the stick figure family. A 5spd though, that's not something you see everyday in a Libby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYMJ Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 5sp, cool, never have seen one. Same here on the XJ's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaquaro Posted September 26, 2013 Author Share Posted September 26, 2013 I don't mind the older Libby's but the new ones I don't care for. Always liked the demin-ish blue offered on them. A friend just recently bought a 2012 and I keep calling it his "soccer mom" car and even told him I'm sticking one of those decals on his rear window along with the stick figure family. A 5spd though, that's not something you see everyday in a Libby. Thats the color :thumbsup: I'll get some pics up soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GirsMJ86 Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Sweet, can't wait to see some pics. Mind telling me that color code as well? :bowdown: Got any plans for it, like a mild lift with some meatier tires or anything? KJ light bar perhaps? :brows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyinajeep726 Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Do a solid front axle swap and lift it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjrev10 Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Check out the UA BDS dizzle KJ build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I'm very familiar with gas KJ's. LMK if u need anything http://www.jeepkj.com/forum/f222/02-liberty-renegade-limited-resurrection-53070/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 The KJ Liberty ( '02-'07) was a better platform then the heavier KK's ('08-'13). KJ's are quite capable. I have seen it proven time and again that they are every bit as capable as an XJ with a similar lift & tire combo. I regularly wheeled with 3 KJ's and 2 XJ's. (Yes, XJ's are easier to modify and can be modified beyond what you can modify a KJ.) My '05 had a wide-ratio SIX speed ( yes, six speed) NSG370 ('02-'04 used a NV3500 5-spd) stick. Even with the stock 3.55 gears mine had the same factory crawl ratio as an automatic Tj Rubicon at 48:1. That is roughly twice the crawl ratio of the average (AW4/231/3.55) XJ at 26:1. The 6-speed option also got you an honest to goodness 241J transfer case instead of the 231J used in about everything else. No, it was not the 241OR Rubi version. It retained the 2.72:1 low range. I could easliy drive it by starting in 2nd and using 1st like a granny gear while 6th gear would get me a combined 18 mpg after the lift & tires. With 2.5" of lift, 31" mud terrains, and an Aussie in the back it was a very capable jeep. The KJ platform is roughly twice as stiff as an XJ and the roof structure is much safer in case of a roll over. A buddy we had to rescue from a roll over in a river that left him underwater and on his roof would have died had he been in his XJ instead of his KJ. We have all seen posts of flattened-roof XJ's to see what I am talking about. The V6 3.7 made more HP and equal torque to the I6 4.0 at about the same RPM range. They seemed slower as the KJ is roughly 700 pounds (!) heavier than an XJ. I hate to admit that my KJ outperformed my MJ on 32's with an LSD rear over the same courses. See this XJ? This is a different view of my KJ on the same Badlands obstacle. Yes, it made it with no rock stacking, winching, etc.... This pic gives no real indication of how steep this is. That small gravel is slick as heck, too. This is the tallest dune at Badlands if anyone has been there: Sitting still Jim's KJ after rolling 3.5 times into 2-3 feet of water and landing on its top. How would an XJ look after that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Warrior Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I have always had a soft spot for the KJ. Short of lacking in good appearance (personal opinion) they seem to be a very solid platform. I predict the KJ will soon be the cheap Jeep to modify as XJs are starting to increase in value and yet, are regularly scrapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaquaro Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 Well that was short and sweet :doh: managed to roll it = completely totated / write off . Probably buy another ........ :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComancheKid45 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Wow really!? Hope your alright! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oyaji Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Wondering how it fared in the rollover - pics? . Just a reminder: you might want to save the 5-speed out of it before it goes to the junkyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyinajeep726 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Wondering how it fared in the rollover - pics? . Just a reminder: you might want to save the 5-speed out of it before it goes to the junkyard. I agree with all of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaquaro Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 Wow really!? Hope your alright! More or less , major concussion , will be off work for 6-8 weeks before I'll be able to drive equiptment / vehicle . The way our insurance works on a write- off is basicly all or nothing , They will buy you a near identicle vehicle or cash equivalent or you can bid for it in auction with wrecking yards competing with you . Hopefully I can find a replacement .......I'll keep you posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92tanMJ Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Jim's KJ after rolling 3.5 times into 2-3 feet of water and landing on its top. How would an XJ look after that? Well an XJ would look like this (if I remember right) after 7 rolls at 45 mph. And yes she's fine, she walked away with a broken figure. Sorry for the tinny picture, it was texted to me a couple years ago when I first got my xj. It was my female friend at the time, best friend Image Not Found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjrev10 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Jim's KJ after rolling 3.5 times into 2-3 feet of water and landing on its top. How would an XJ look after that? Well an XJ would look like this (if I remember right) after 7 rolls at 45 mph. And yes she's fine, she walked away with a broken figure. Sorry for the tinny picture, it was texted to me a couple years ago when I first got my xj. It was my female friend at the time, best friendImage Not Found Oof da Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Jim's KJ after rolling 3.5 times into 2-3 feet of water and landing on its top. How would an XJ look after that? Well an XJ would look like this (if I remember right) after 7 rolls at 45 mph. And yes she's fine, she walked away with a broken figure. Sorry for the tinny picture, it was texted to me a couple years ago when I first got my xj. It was my female friend at the time, best friend Image Not Found I am happy to hear of her good fortune on the injury front. That flattened roof is oh so common in XJ rollovers ( and probably our MJ's, too, I just lack evidence) and usually occurs during the first roll or two. Then as long was your body is below the beltline after the failure you have the stronger portion of the body protecting you. Imagine being tightly strapped to a high-back bucket as that roof caved... If the roof bent you back or didn't bend you at all and you took the full force of the collapse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92tanMJ Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 ..Edited to save space.. I am happy to hear of her good fortune on the injury front. That flattened roof is oh so common in XJ rollovers ( and probably our MJ's, too, I just lack evidence) and usually occurs during the first roll or two. Then as long was your body is below the beltline after the failure you have the stronger portion of the body protecting you. Imagine being tightly strapped to a high-back bucket as that roof caved... If the roof bent you back or didn't bend you at all and you took the full force of the collapse... True, true all of which you said I agree with. But we can't compare the two like that, apples to apples...you said the libby rolled into 2-3 of water so I'm going to assume it happened offroading, correct?...which is generally at slower speeds..so I bet if he rolled his libby on a corner going 45 mph I highly doubt the roof wouldnt have flatted out like it is with the XJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oyaji Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Jim's KJ after rolling 3.5 times into 2-3 feet of water and landing on its top. How would an XJ look after that? Well an XJ would look like this (if I remember right) after 7 rolls at 45 mph. And yes she's fine, she walked away with a broken figure. Sorry for the tinny picture, it was texted to me a couple years ago when I first got my xj. It was my female friend at the time, best friend Image Not Found I am happy to hear of her good fortune on the injury front. That flattened roof is oh so common in XJ rollovers ( and probably our MJ's, too, I just lack evidence) and usually occurs during the first roll or two. Then as long was your body is below the beltline after the failure you have the stronger portion of the body protecting you. Imagine being tightly strapped to a high-back bucket as that roof caved... If the roof bent you back or didn't bend you at all and you took the full force of the collapse... . That right there is the best argument I have seen and heard for installing some kind of rollover protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 My brother's 02 after it rolled twice at 35+ MPH How it looked before the rollover He has epillepsy, and had a seizure (degrading condition, now he no longer drives). went down a ditch, came out of it, up over the road, endo, roll twice over the right front to back rear quarter, landed on the side. Cab was perfectly square. it bent the driver front A pillar section of the door, but left the cab alone. I took measurements off of the new body for it, all 5 doors still opened correctly. Technically it just needed both quarter panels, both front doors (wrecked skins) some body work on rear doors to put the handles back out, a new passenger front inner fender, bumper support, hood, front clip. But we found a Limited and swapped everything over, motor and all. These things are tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92tanMJ Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Well then I guess I stand corrected. Looks like there more oblonged shape helps in roll overs. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Its the.difference of layers in the kj uniframe...5 or more different thaped layers in all structural parts compared to 2 or 3 at best in an xj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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