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Agreed. All politicians suck.

 

Moving on, when did being a politician become a career rather than a self obligated duty to your country?

 

Some time in ancient Athens!

 

Then the Romans perfected it by eliminating the opposition violently. Political advancement has been that way ever since except by utilizing more subtle methods. Fully protected of course by the rules and regulations in place at the time.

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No, I had not heard - but that is news I will pass on with gusto.

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I agree that The Pub is the perfect place to kick around this sort of topic, and hope to see more of similar topics here in the future. Whether  or not they agree with the majority, all civil comments should be welcome.

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I must say, I am impressed by the cogent comments I read here tonight (I especially liked Jimoshel's observations, among others).

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The news was a headline here in Maryland. Did I mention that MD is a very anti-gun state !!!

 

Western Shore MD = Anti-gun

 

Eastern Shore MD = I have two gun stores within walking distance

 

But the fact that a kid from the Eastern Shore drove down to his ex-girlfriend's college, shot and killed her new boyfriend, shot the ex-GF and then shot and killed himself isn't helping the cause.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-09-04/news/bs-md-salisbury-shooting-20130904_1_salisbury-university-campus-vigil-critical-condition

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Actually saw it covered in national network news in a moderately fair manner. The parents of one of the shooting victims made a statement to the effect of not letting special interest groups take away our democracy.

I grieve for the loss of her child and for other victims of senseless violence and the acts of mentally deficient or radical politically motivated individuals. Locally we had a young man out jogging killed by a group of gang-bangers because they "were bored".

Our democracy (actually a republic) confers certain constitutional rights on the citizenry. One of those is the right to bear arms. Therefore, I do not consider those who demand to retain their constitutional rights as special interest groups.

The underlying problem is lack of enforcement of laws already on the books.

There is nothing to be gained by dis-arming legal gun owners and a great deal to be lost. Look at the pre-history of WW2 in Germany where citizens were dis-armed and one of the most sadistic dictatorships in the history of the world flourished. There are other examples, such as the USSR.

I personally do not carry everywhere I go because I am a law-abiding citizen and guns are prohibited on some sites I visit (such as power plants, steel mills, government facilities, etc,). I respect their regulations and the reasons behind them. However, as a concealed carry permit holder, I will continue to own firearm(s) and carry when I deem it is needful.

Don't take my rights away to avoid offending someone who disagrees with or mis-interprets the constitution on which this great nation is founded.

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The gun didn't kill anyone. The crazy love struck 21 year old did

Doesn't matter - that's not how the general public will look at it.

I know... That is the whole problem... A lot of people aren't capable of thinking for themselves.

 

I want to know why auto accidents, obese people and alcohol/smoking deaths are far more numerous yet people could care less about doing anything to prevent those deaths. But someone loses it and shoots someone suddenly they want to take action and try to make it illegal for me to defend my family from anyone trying to harm them. My daughter is 4 yrs old. You want to die? Try and harm her.(not talking to anyone in particular with that)

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I agree, it's a problem and a very complex one at that.  You're never going to be able to change the minds of those who hang on every word of every anti-gun related article and newscast.  The general public is lazy and they want someone else to do their thinking for them.

 

Auto accidents have absolutely caused the same kind of stir that we're seeing with anti-gun blowhards - just not on the same level since we're talking local/federal laws versus the Constitution of the United States.  Just look at the legislation that has been put into place for vehicle safety.  Auto manufacturers have to bend over backwards to meet the safety criteria set in place by NHTSA.  Any time there is a fatal accident on a road, the Helen Lovejoy's come out of the woodwork and down come speed limits and up go traffic lights.

 

As long as the media continue to pursue every avenue to find gun-related news stories and blow them out of proportion, the responsible gun-toting Americans are fooked.  

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I find it astounding and incomprehensible that any people endowed with freedom through the efforts of their ancestors  who won  that freedom through the use of armed force  against a tyrannical  government would not only willingly give up their constitutional right to protect their freedom by use of arms, but would also enable possible future tyranny by offering monopoly of force to their own government while simultaneously expanding its authority to use  force without accountability.

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That right there doesn't say much for the smarts of the 'Merican people - no, it doesn't.

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Who cares if this forum is about "trucks"... The pub is for anything... There are threads here about the stupidest crap, like facial hair and girlfriend pictures... No one said to them, "hey this is a forum about "trucks"".... Jim wasn't pushing a point if view, he was simply asking if anybody heard about it.... In my reply I was simply stating that politicians need to listen to the people not stacks of money...

:agree: I was thinking that as I was reading this

 

 

Agreed. All politicians suck.

 

Moving on, when did being a politician become a career rather than a self obligated duty to your country?

There are a few who are motivated by the right reasons, but then they get a little power and money and they quickly forget those reasons..

Agreed! That's why we need term limits, for everyone. Sorry McCain, I supported you with Bush but when youre playing poker during meetings its time for you to go.

 

Heard about it on FB. More politicians need to get some balls and stand up for what's right.

No, no, no. More PEOPLE need to get some balls and stand up for what's right...After all it is "WE THE PEOPLE."

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Pleasantly surprised by the calmness of this argument. I stand corrected, gentlemen. I usually associate politics with angry debate - that's just imbedded in my mind. More people need to stand up for what's right and not what's making money.

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Pleasantly surprised by the calmness of this argument. I stand corrected, gentlemen. I usually associate politics with angry debate - that's just imbedded in my mind. More people need to stand up for what's right and not what's making money.

 

 

Well I completely stubbornly disagree with lots of swear words! lol.

 

You're completely correct, though. This is a pretty placid discussion.

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Read in the paper this morn where a couple guys beat another guy to death with a baseball bat. Went thru the constitution 3 times and nowhere could I find any guarantee of our right to own a baseball bat. Does this mean the end of baseball?

Bet that poor b*stard was wishing he had a carry permit about then.

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Read in the paper this morn where a couple guys beat another guy to death with a baseball bat. Went thru the constitution 3 times and nowhere could I find any guarantee of our right to own a baseball bat. Does this mean the end of baseball?

Bet that poor b*stard was wishing he had a carry permit about then.

 

I saw an article the other day about this "game" these hoodrats play, where they run up and suckerpunch random people trying to knock them out. Well for some reason one of these hoodrats dediced to tazzer this guy waiting for the bus. But the guy was a CCW holder and somehow was able to get a shot off and got the hoodrat in the butt. And apperently when the cops showed up they found the CCW holder kneeling next to the hoodrat who was crying. Lmao, they said the CCW wasnt charged with anything and I forget what the tug was charge with.

 

 

It's a calm debate because everyone knows most politicians end up looking out for only themselves...

 

Yeah that and everyone is pretty much in agreement on everything being talked about. lol There's not like two extreme parties talking about something. lol

 

 

 

But what gets my panties in a bunch, (coming from a facebook post) I personally think we are too much of a nany state (country). We shouldn't have to protect people from thier own stupidity...All we're doing is interfering with natural selection. Let's remove warning lables and stop giving people food stamps. They say 'don't feed the animals' because they will be come lazy and not look for ways to provide for themselves. So why feed people?? They do the same thing! (With in reason obviously, food stamps do have a time and place)  Soap box over. lol

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Mr Jim, this is for you:

 

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Not in CO, havent been following their politics too much outside of the gun control debate, but, according to a cousin of mine in denver, theres a bit more to it besides just gun control, according to this article he sent me.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-12/political-sins-more-than-guns-drove-colorado-recall.html

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/03/co_democrat_doesnt_understand_high-capacity_magazines_can_be_reloaded.html

 

 

Here is one more from Colorado that needs to go. She doesnt know you can reload magazines or "clips" but shes smart enough to make gun laws.

Remember laughing so hard at work, i was getting stares from across the shop, when i saw this.

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