cbreiter Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Engines tend to run fine with the factory setup, however usually a standard filter doesn't allow as much airflow as is possible, that's why adding a higher flowing filter will gain you mpg, and hp. A cold air intake simply takes it a step further, with a cone filter usually. This setup will simply maximize the amount of air your engine can pull, with the factory setup. Just my 2 cents on it. Usually more airflow makes more of a difference coupled with a freer flowing exhaust, and more fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Yep. Other mods can make all the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbreiter Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 That's true, but the filter shouldn't be discounted. It still makes a difference. The better your air delivery, the better other mods work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunnc1991 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Saying a "Modded" factory air box is the same as forced induction is pretty comical... Not everyone always likes what others do. That's life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big66440 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I had a spare piece of 3 1/2" cold air tubing and simply deleted my air box and clamped a KNN cone filter directly behind the driver head light, I'm not sure if it made a difference by itself in power and MPG. but sure as hell sounds waaaay better at WOT :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Ha....if we all had your hot air......we would not need extra air for our motors we would all be super charged......you start emailing all the tubo companies blower companies air filter and hood scoop companies and tell them to shut the doors......cuz your wisdom has determined that extra air is not good for an internal combustion motor..... and I have been a bit of a hillbilly in my time but.......your big argument.....(that you pulled from another thread not this one) is about getting in water and hydrolocking the motor.....here is a tip Billy bob....drive on the trail or on the street/highway/road......were 99.999% of the trucks on this site spend most of there time.......not everybody( thank you Jesus ) lives in your little world. How about this Jethro........you provide us with YOUR facts on how allowing more air.... to any type of internal combustion motor is detrimental (that means bad) in any way.... Psssttttt....posted before your rant: "Another vote for using caution if you do any play in water. The factory air box let's enough water in that hydrolocking an engine is a real concern without adding more ways for water to get in." Clearly stating to any literate English speaker that my post was for those who play in water. :thumbsup: And: "I am assuming some only wheel in dry conditions or their truck is kept on the pavement. That is fine but not all use their truck that way." :brows: Reading comprehension is important, eh? :cheers: nearly free turbo: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/171654249401?lpid=82&chn=ps. Gotta be worth 75 horsepower :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yxmj Posted January 29, 2015 Author Share Posted January 29, 2015 Good for you....it only took you 12 days for that come back......you sure told me..... :clapping: But you are correct....For all you CC Members out there.....restrict the air flow to your engine....adding more cool air to your engine will not increase it's efficiency in any way. It is a proven fact! :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Did you try that Tornado "Manitoba Turbo" that I linked? I just wanted your opinion on whether the 75 horsepower estimate was better or worse then what the mesh screen supercharger provides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yxmj Posted January 29, 2015 Author Share Posted January 29, 2015 That would be silly....you have proven to all of us that allowing more cool air into your engine is a very bad idea and that all those racers are wasting their time adding hood scoops or any type of fresh air induction.....that is just bad for the motor. Common sense would tell anyone that allowing an internal combustion motor easy access to fresh cool air is clearly plain stupidity. Thanks for clearing that up :bowdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogmorgo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I doubt anyone interested in this mod wants to see all the bickering, but I'll throw my hat back into the ring at risk of it not stopping. This is a modification that can be done. It's effectiveness is obviously controversial, as it usually is when cold air intakes come up. There are those of us who aren't convinced this would really improve easy access to fresh cool air. I personally would need some data. I like data. I'd be more happy knowing I'm wrong than knowing I'm guessing. Failing actual dyno numbers, you could fairly easily pull temperature data for the two spots. If the air under the hood is cooler than the air behind the headlight, that would be advantageous. I'd be surprised if it was, but you never know. The change in temperature would likely have affect things the most. Does it allow more of this air of a different temperature into the engine? I'd also be surprised there. Changing the diameter of the mouth of a funnel doesn't do much to how quickly you can suck through it... but you never know. This one is harder to prove without a dyno, although you could hook up a mass air flow sensor, or else do some CFD. If the factory air inlet is a constriction, opening up the side of the airbox could relieve the constriction. Pulling the air through an opening with sharp edges and then around the corner could also slow it down. Increasing the pressure differential between the sides of the filter (by opening up the airbox and eliminating the vacuum produced by rapidly moving air shooting down the factory inlet) could lead to air moving faster through the filter, but slowing down the air on the upstream end of the filter could simply slow it down. There are lots of variables. There's also a solid brick wall here. I smashed my head against it a while back, and without actual evidence, that's all either of you are doing. I'm not a moderator and don't really have much business asking this as I'm often guilty of the same thing, but you two have both made your positions clear. My request is to stop this silly argument until either party can provide actual evidence supporting your claims. Keep in mind that fluid mechanics are one field where common sense doesn't always prove useful, and even the experts are hesitant to say anything without first doing some basic experimentation or simulation. I'm far from an expert, but please feed me some data! :popcorn: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 The proper way to modify an air box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 The proper way to modify an air box. Ain't that the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yxmj Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 The proper way to modify an air box. Ain't that the truth. What are you suggesting by this......that the factory air box does not allow the motor to perform to its maximum capabilities? That it is garbage? That it needs to be revised in some way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Nope. I am suggesting that even stock it lets too much water in and it would only get worse when the Winnipeg Supercharger screen is added. :banana: So I stood in my living room. 24'x12' x10' ceilings. Closed all of the doors. Breathed just fine. Went outside. Unlimited air available. Breathed the same amount. So the volume of air available to me made no difference as my air requirement was met just fine already. Hmmmm. The volume needed is important, not the volume available? Having extra volume that is not used is a pointless? Shocking concepts. $10!!! Adds Horsepower!!!! Hey the ad says it works so you know it must. Manufacturers never lie about their products, do they? http://www.ebay.com/itm/FITS-JDM-BLUE-SUPERCHARGE-TURBO-SINGLE-JET-BLADE-TORNADO-ECO-GAS-FUEL-SAVER-FAN-/121222129122?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item1c3966e5e2 And an ELECTRIC version! I am sure you boys down to the Possum Lodge have already figured out how to do this with a leaf blower.... :thumbsup: All in fun. With a name like Jethro you can't help but joke about everything, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj5 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 if you were to cut about a 2"-3" hole in the side of box and mount a hose from the hole to front of vehicle...would act as a ram air and would also be more free flowing as its an "extra" intake into the airbox...right?I would assume this would be beneficial...any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yxmj Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 No allowing a motor easier access to air is not beneficial in any way.......proven fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj5 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 No allowing a motor easier access to air is not beneficial in any way.......proven fact.we all know it is...I just don't know how much of an improvement it makes or if it is anything significant since throttle body and intake manifold have their own restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yxmj Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Since I started the thread I will finish it. My intent was to ( read back on the first post) allow people who like myself believe that allowing a motor easy access to air that it does not have to work for, is beneficial to the motor. If you can do it cheap and easy in your own spare time why not try to get benefits from it. :dunno: If you think it is not beneficial to allow more air into your air box then don’t waste your time with the mod. :thumbsup: Like I said earlier on in the thread….it cost me nothing to do it….even if I got a gain of ¼ of a HP or another 1/5 of a MPG to me, over the thousands of miles I drive, it is worth it. . :MJ 1: . I have seen no augment that says otherwise. Please anyone show us all how more air into the motor is a bad thing.... :hmm: The only actual legitimate augment that can be conceded here is the one of if on the off chance you were to be in a situation that water was deep enough to enter your air box it could get sucked into the engine and cause hydro lock. So what to guys who regularly get themselves in that situation do to prevent hydro lock…..what is their remedy? The snorkel it….they add a modification that ensures that the motor has a more than adequate supply of clean cool air……novel Idea…… :brows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj5 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I completely understand what your saying. I just wasn't sure if maybe taking your idea a step further and using the hole made as a ram air would help improve further engine performance and/or mpg, or if other restrictions make this not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue88Comanche Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I completely understand what your saying. I just wasn't sure if maybe taking your idea a step further and using the hole made as a ram air would help improve further engine performance and/or mpg, or if other restrictions make this not possible. there was a guy over on the charger forums who made a homemade ram air, he routed it through the headlight (replacing one of the high beams), and had a tube feeding the air to the factory airbox. he tracked the car, but i am not sure if it was also a DD due to the other mods. their only concern was rain causing hydro lock. it was later decided light to med rain would not be much of an issue due to the design of the HEMI Airbox used on the chargers. Other members did similar things to achieve the same end result. The Jeep world equivalent would be adding a snorkel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Again: access to more air is useless unless the engine is lacking air to begin with. Nothing with this posted mod showed the deficiency that needed corrected and it certainly did not prove any gain. Going back before the butthurt I said that the mod may help...or it may not. Nothing showed it one way or the other. What I did say was that for some people, not all but some, that mod had potentially harmful side effects that should be considered by those users. Bottom line: saying that access to more air can't hurt is nonsense until you prove more air is needed. Nothing in this thread showed that deficiency or any gain from the mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 if you were to cut about a 2"-3" hole in the side of box and mount a hose from the hole to front of vehicle...would act as a ram air and would also be more free flowing as its an "extra" intake into the airbox...right? I would assume this would be beneficial...any thoughts? You are on the right track but there is quite a bit more to a "ram air" effect than that. For example some "functional" scoops that supposedly provided a ram air effect actual caused a reduction in air flow as the opening for the scoop was not positioned properly. The air flow was directed higher than the scoop opening by the aerodynamics of the car, for example. Also at just passive intake velocities you may not get any more "packing" of the cylinder. The valve still only opens so far. Where a true turbo or supercharger packs in air by pressurizing the air several times that of the atmosphere how much, if any, does a "ram air" scoop do it? Does it increase velocity enough to do anything? How much velocity is lost at the first 90 degree turn in the routing? But you are on the right track with trying to force more air into the engine. Passive screens will do nothing of the sort. It would at most allow the engine to suck in more air but only if it could not suck in enough before the addition of the screen. Either way doing a mod because you think it will help doesn't show anything unless you can prove that it helps. "Well it ought to help..." is hardly proof of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yxmj Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 So then do not mod your air box Jethro........Still no proof from you that adding air is detrimental (that means bad) Again for those who think that more air would be helpful....If you feel that more air would be beneficial to you motor...Here is a thread on how I ALLOWED MORE AIR INTO MY AIR BOX. . :MJ 1: . If you feel that you do not need it or will not benefit from it DO NOT DO IT. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj5 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 while I do not think holes in the airbox will help much if at all,since you could easily use a high flow cone filter and heat shield and be way more effective. I was thinking maybe extending the inlet to the airbox to the opening behind the headlight for more direct flow and maybe putting a secondary inlet in to pack as much air as possible in the box just to get max pressure into the throttle body. Might be better doing something like this with the main inlet and forget a secondary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 So then do not mod your air box Jethro........Still no proof from you that adding air is detrimental (that means bad) Again for those who think that more air would be helpful....If you feel that more air would be beneficial to you moitor...Here is a thread on how I ALLOWED MORE AIR INTO MY AIR BOX. . :MJ 1: . If you feel that you do not need it or will not benefit from it DO NOT DO IT. :thumbsup: I thought the breathing in a room versus outside analogy was about as simple as one could make it. Access to air there is no demand for helps nothing. You would probably run 12" of lift because, you know, it would make clearing 28" tires easier even though there is no need for it. Goof. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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