I Tried To Tell You Guys Your Guns Will Be Banned...here It Is...

[Jeep Driver]

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

 

 

don't kill the messenger.

 

I'm bringing this to your attention so that you can be aware. The more who know what's coming the more that can fight it.

[Jeep Driver]

I'm very angry at every one of you here who ridiculed me for trying to bring you the truth.

 

There is no brotherhood in the Jeep community.

 

YOU are shameful.

 

Here it is and everything I said is true!

 

This is the legislation....whether it gets through or not is irrelevant.....it is the outline they are using against us.

 

 

Again........you people are something else.........I'm disgusted with you.

 

 

 

 

Summary of 2013 legislation

 

Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

 

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:

 

120 specifically-named firearms

 

Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic

 

Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds

 

Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:

 

Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test

 

Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test

 

Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans

 

Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.

 

Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:

 

Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment

 

Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and

Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons

 

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:

 

Background check of owner and any transferee;

 

Type and serial number of the firearm;

 

Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;

 

Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession

would not violate State or local law;

 

and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just like I said they were gonna do, turn our semi autos into NFA guns!!

[shelbyluvv]

They have not done $#!& yet. Why do you need a AK-47? It is a useless pos weapon. A bolt or lever action rifle, pump shotgun, or a single shot is all you need for hunting.

 

I could care less if they ban all high cap mags and semi and full auto guns. Be it a shotgun, rifle, or pistol. There is no use for them, peroid.

 

If you think I am some hippie tree hugger you might want to do some research on me to see who I am.

 

Now stop your whinny bull$#!&. I am about to click the button on you to make you go away.

 

This is your one and only warning.

[Jeep Driver]

They have not done $#!& yet. Why do you need a AK-47? It is a useless pos weapon. A bolt or lever action rifle, pump shotgun, or a single shot is all you need for hunting.

 

I could care less if they ban all high cap mags and semi and full auto guns. Be it a shotgun, rifle, or pistol. There is no use for them, peroid.

 

If you think I am some hippie tree hugger you might want to do some research on me to see who I am.

 

Now stop your whinny bull$#!&. I am about to click the button on you to make you go away.

 

This is your one and only warning.

 

 

I have asked Pete to PM me or call me directly.

[ftpiercecracker1]

This really needs to be nipped in the bud. :no:

[JeepcoMJ]

Jeep driver, go @#$% yourself, and get lost.

 

 

 

I don't want my rights infringed upon any more than you do. But it's been made clear you are not wanted.

 

 

 

Bo, can you please just delete this, and ban him from the pub?

[Jeep Driver]

Go ahead and delete my account and the threads here.

 

 

You'll see for yourselves soon enough......your time is short anyway.

[JeepcoMJ]

Prophets and the paranoid hardly ever are proven correct. get over yourself.

[Goose]

I predict I'm going to have sex tomorrow. I have a girlfriend, she sleeps over, we've done it before, therefore, I must get to have sex.

 

Doesn't mean it will happen just because you say it will. But anything's possible I guess.

[Minuit]

Someone hasn't taken their meds.

[Comanche County]

I'm very angry at every one of you here who ridiculed me for trying to bring you the truth.

 

There is no brotherhood in the Jeep community.

 

YOU are shameful.

 

Relax brother.

 

Our guns are going nowhere.

 

The main problem with this impending legislation, is that it impedes on state's rights. The Constitution gives us the right to bear arms. That means any arms of a personal nature. It does not give us the right to arm ourselves with WMDs, Artillery, Chem weapons etc. We by federal law can carry open, concealed or otherwise and the constitution does not give congress or the president the right to restrict that. The way we carry personal arms is not limited by the constitution. To limit how we bare arms would require another constitutional ammendment.

 

However, we are not a "nation" bound by a single federal entity. We are a republic of nation states. That's right...all of our states are nations. We are bound by our own state laws. The "state" elsewhere in the world equates a nation. But nowadays most Americans forget that. They don't know that a state equals a nation. We're a republic of "nations". The "United States", its a concept never conceived or successfully tried anywhere but here. Look at the EU, is that successful?,,,financially speaking it's not and it never will be due to the vast differences in ethnic and historical diversity. There's quite a lot to be said about our "melting pot", it worked for us but its not working successfully for anyone else....and yes I acknowledge there are many, many countries with a wide array of ethnicity and race. But none of them come close to our success. That's besides the point.

 

The point is that states are the prime limiter of gun rights, not the federal government.

 

We have the right to bare arms and maintain an armed militia to defend us from outside states and from the federal governement. I believe that is one of the reasons it was included so succinctly in the constitution. Revisionists in the current congress don't see it that way...and they are gaining ground. But there will never be an amendment to take our guns away. Unless the party that pushes it wishes to completely stomp on state's rights and disarm the entire public, which in effect would mean the end of that party, as well as weaken our country immeasurably. To repeal the 2nd ammendment would mean a civil war and the dissolution of the the US.

 

I say it would weaken our country because its a historical fact that during the cold war, the USSR would have never invaded us. Our population is the most armed on the planet. It was a major strategic factor to the Soviets. They would have never been able to occupy and control American soil. That's if you ignore the nuclear and conventional superiority we had over them and China then (and still have to this day) and assume that they could have undertaken such an operation. (also ignoring the fact that we and the Russians would nuke our own soil on an invading force) We never had anything to fear from them or any other state. We never will. We are superior to everyone else and in every way. If the Soviets could have even dreamed of defeating us in a nuclear exchange, they could never have been able to defeat the well armed remaining American populace. This is a fact.

 

Our legislators and the executive branch knows this.

 

One might assume that that threat doesn't exist anymore, and now they'll do it anyway and try to justify disarming the public. But it would mean political suicide and falling on their own sword for the party that forces it on us. They'll lose eventually with our system of checks and balences.

 

It is up to the states to decide its own gun laws, much as they already do. Don't fear or villainize the feds. They can't touch the states in any lasting or meaningful way. Another Clinton'esque weapons ban would only be temporary and not the end of the world. States can always refuse to enforce such a law like the way many states are currently refusing to set up health care exchanges. It would then fall on the feds to enforce it in all the states. They don't have the manpower or the court time to try everyone.

 

Even if they outlawed every assault weapon, the feds would never be able to physically confiscate them all. Nor would they try. They know that's an impossibility. They're too busy giving away free money to unions and welfare mommas to attack us with goon squads to take away our weapons.

 

Although I'm a proud American, I don't fear the Federal government, I support it but I demand that they fear me....because I vote and my seemingly inconsequential vote does actually mean something.

[jpnjim]

Sad to say,

the time is ripe for this issue to further DIVIDE our great country.

 

More people own sport rifles (assault weapons) now than ever

More people are against "assault weapons" (sport rifles) now than ever.

 

Just another issue to divide America.

 

The truth is "assault weapons" are an enthusiast's rifle,

just like sports cars, or Jeeps are bought by automotive enthusiasts.

 

You don't 'need' a car that can go 200mph,

You also don't 'need' a truck that could do irreparable damage to the environment by climbing barriers & blastinng through wetlands.

 

But, as Americans, responsible adults are allowed to own things that possibly could be used badly.

 

Of course I know Jeeps do not = semi auto rifles,

but if the issue TOMORROW was to ban Jeeps,

because they 'could' be used to hurt the environment,

where would everyone here stand on that issue?

 

"You don't need a Jeep,

a Prius gets better mileage bla bla bla, go green."

 

^^^As Americans, we have choice,

even if not everyone agrees with us.

 

Even when there is risk involved.

[jpnjim]

The flawed "Nobody Needs" argument;

 

Nobody Needs;

44" tires

they waste resources, wear out very quickly and their only use is digging up the environment.

You could build 25 Prius tires (made up number) that each go 60k miles for every 8k mile 44" Bogger

 

To drive 1980's vehicles

they waste resources, require parts stores to maintain a supply of old parts,

polute a levels 50 times current vehicles (made up number).

They don't have airbags, crumble zones, back up cameras, etc etc.

 

 

Nobody Needs;

 

A home on 1+ acre

 

To have a massive garage

 

To own a 2 seat vehicle

 

To drive more than 10 miles to work

 

Have more than 2 children

 

Make more than $50k a year

 

Have more than 1 car, 1 tv, 1 whatever.

 

 

Etc etc etc.

 

 

The only end to the 'nobody needs' argument is for everyone to live in a 300sq foot pod and ride a bike to work.

 

Till someone says "hey why are you wasting our resources with those chrome wheels on your bike!!!"

[dave92cherokee]

I'm very angry at every one of you here who ridiculed me for trying to bring you the truth.

 

There is no brotherhood in the Jeep community.

 

YOU are shameful.

 

Here it is and everything I said is true!

 

This is the legislation....whether it gets through or not is irrelevant.....it is the outline they are using against us.

 

 

Again........you people are something else.........I'm disgusted with you.

 

 

 

 

Summary of 2013 legislation

 

Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

 

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:

 

120 specifically-named firearms

 

Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic

 

Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds

 

Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:

 

Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test

 

Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test

 

Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans

 

Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.

 

Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:

 

Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment

 

Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and

Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons

 

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:

 

Background check of owner and any transferee;

 

Type and serial number of the firearm;

 

Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;

 

Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession

would not violate State or local law;

 

and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just like I said they were gonna do, turn our semi autos into NFA guns!!

 

IF this is the whole thing in its entirety and not edited by this yahoo I don't see anything wrong with it. They're working to ban the future manufacture of high cap mags and guns with a "fixed magazine" Personal defense weapons will still be made and sold like they are now, you don't need an M16 or AK47 or any other assault rifle besides the cool factor or trying to make up for a lack of firepower elsewhere. You can't carry them around strapped to your back or side as I can my 45, and even if you can I guarantee I can get my pistol out and fire off a couple of rounds before you even get that rifle off your shoulder.

 

They're also banning ammunition feeding devices capable of holding more than 10 rounds which means belt fed ammo boxes, drum mag's ie tommy guns, and banana clips holding 30+ rounds. Once again this is the future manufacture and selling of them, if you already own it before it's passed then you are grandfathered in. They're also trying to crack down on the loop holes that people find and exploit to make their AR's full auto and uncontrollable. I would personally rather be able to have a single well placed shot than spray and pray, especially as much as ammo costs.

 

So they're doing nothing more than trying to stop the manufacture of assault rifles for civilian use which have no need in civilian world. You can still buy glocks, beretta's, smith and wesson, all hunting rifles and shotguns. There's no need for a 2.27 ar15 or any other assault rifle for civilian use besides to say "look how cool I am". I don't own one nor do I want to spend the money to buy one, I would rather take the money that would be required to buy 1 assault rifle and buy two pistols so I would then have a main and a backup if needed. They're not trying to do anything to your right to bear arms or own them simply cut down on the nut jobs access to high powered assault rifles as police forces are out gunned these days.

 

So Jeep Driver you may not like what I had to say but tough s#!t as an american I have the right to free speech, are you going to impose on that or whine about that? If you're so worried about your guns then go buy all you can and bury them in a steel box in the back yard to keep them hidden and safe and never able to use.

[jpnjim]

Semi auto rifles do have sporting uses,

when hunting something that might not go down with the first well landed shot,

like boar.

 

AR15's are the #1 boar hunting rifle for a reason,

those things are fast, and run towards you when attacked lol!

 

I don't own an AR, or any other rifle,

but I know what 'infringe' means.

 

There IS a means to alter the Bill of Rights if they want to do that,

but I guess it's too much work,

so they're looking to subvert it based on public opinion instead.

 

 

[Comanche County]

The flawed "Nobody Needs" argument;

 

:agree: This is how our country is becoming more and more divided. The more politicians tell us what we need and don't need the more it erodes our freedom.

[jpnjim]

The part about Police Forces being outgunned these days did make me lol a little.

 

Have you seen the armored vehicles nearly every police force in America either now has, or has access to through multi-town agreements?

 

I just moved to a 'Mayberry', small town NH,

and 'we' have one.

 

I think I understand the argument on both sides of this,

but Connecticut, along with Mass, NY & California, already have the toughest gun laws in the country.

 

No law,

short of full confiscation could have stopped that maniac.

 

It could just have easily happened with a semi auto handgun.

Should they take those too?

 

It takes less than a second to swap magazines,

so 10 round limits wouldn't have stopped it either.

 

How many current laws did that guy break before he even got to the school?

including the one that says its illegal to shoot mom in the face :(

[jpnjim]

 

 

:agree: This is how our country is becoming more and more divided. The more politicians tell us what we need and don't need the more it erodes our freedom.

 

:like:

;)

[Dadinator]

Well, since everyone else is voicing their opinions, I might as well.

 

Guns are not the problem. Nutjobs are the problem. I don't have an answer for what to do about them. If anyone does, more power to you.

 

You don't need assault weapons. You also don't need alchohol. I guarantee that kills more folks every single day than any assault weapon ever did.

Should we outlaw that? Wait, they did. Prohibition didn't work.

Illegal drugs kill more folks every single day than any assault weapon ever did.

Should we outlaw those? Oh wait, they are illegal, aren't they?

 

They are an enthusiest weapon as said above. I don't need a 500+ horsepower Shelby Mustang, but I sure do want one.

 

How many people are killed in cars every single day? Should we outlaw them?

 

The tragedy in Conn. was terrible. Aweful, just aweful. Nutjob killing kids.

 

So, now we knee-jerk into action and will most likely impose some useless law that won't do sh#t.

 

Once you outlaw assault weapons, then only outlaws will have them.

Full auto weapons are already illegal. You think gang bangers don't have any?

 

If outlawing ANYTHING worked, we wouldn't have a drug problem in the US, now would we.

 

Rant over.

 

Can we talk about trucks now?

[Pete M]

 

Can we talk about trucks now?

 

yes