shawn Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 so thats that. --- heard a whirring noise coming from area of fuel tank. a little while goes by and i stop and shut it off. 15 mins later i get back in. start up and go and right away it dies. and is still dead. its an '89 pioneer 4.0 5 speed 4x4. does this mean the fuel pump is in the tank ? and whats up with getting it going and getting it to a safer place? as a bonus - just before this happened my back went out and am in full spasm as i write this. any help greatly apppreciated if its soon . thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comanche13 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 from what ive read Fuel pump is attached to fuel gauge sending unit in fuel tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 the haynes manual say it requires removal of the fuel tank for '88 and earlier so I'm not sure what to do and am pressed caues i gotta start a new job in the morn and can't just get a tow truck becuse of where its situated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Hit the tank with a stick. The pump is probably just playing stuck. Unless it failed massively - which shouldn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robfg67 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Sure sounds like the fuel pump to me & yes it's located in the tank. It would be almost impossible to replace while you’re on the side of the road. Perhaps you might get lucky and have a bad fuse or electrical connection. As far as towing her, any good tow guy can run their recovery cable and pull her into a suitable lift position. However the cost for their time is usually substantial. Do you have AAA or equivalent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comanche13 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 can you tow it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiNi Beast Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Sure sounds like the fuel pump to me & yes it's located in the tank. It would be almost impossible to replace while you’re on the side of the road. Perhaps you might get lucky and have a bad fuse or electrical connection. As far as towing her, any good tow guy can run their recovery cable and pull her into a suitable lift position. However the cost for their time is usually substantial. Do you have AAA or equivalent? BS! It be a pain in the butt, but you can change out the fuel pump on the side of the road. and really only a few thing holding the tank up so could just drop it and take it with you and fix it then put it back in. But first I'd check the pump, take a set of jumper cables hook them up, crawl under the truck pull the fuel pump plug and take the hot and negative and test the pump, gator clips works good for this, this will tell you if the pump is working or not to ensure this is the issue and not a break in the line from there. Gotta work from point A to B. meatgrinder13, I'm thinking not being he said he broke down in a place he could not be towed. :nuts: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robfg67 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 The guy is in Canada, so I'm guessing its pretty cold outside right now, he's experiencing back spasms, its dark, and the truck is in a ditch-I'd say it's pretty much near impossible to swap-out right now. Just saying! :no: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiNi Beast Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 For him maybe but he has to have a friend, of course I've been wrong before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boman40 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I have had several problems over the years with my cherokees, so try cycling your key on and off several times before trying to start it, let it on for for ten seconds then off, on again for ten seconds then off. when you try to started, rev up to about 1500 rpm's and keep it there. Also try some HEET in the gas, might help. You can pull and plug the vacuum line to fuel regulator and try to start it. this will cause same problem or try changing the fuel filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comanche87 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 i never had to drop the tank granted i had an aftermarket ehaust on it to give me plenty of room to change it. a few months after i did that the tank leaked so i had to drop it to replace the tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 thanx guys -very much - i got the kind of back pain that floors u (am on way to hosp right now). havnt found a way to get at it yet and as soon as a willing friend turns up i will go out and do what i can. Dirty --- i want to try the stick trick first - just couldnt get under there with this back thing goin on. the weird part is I'm startingt a new job tomorrw morn. and the truck is my driver too--so needless to say I'm having a frustrating eve. best case scenario now seems to b that i can co-ordinate a truck rescue in morn (assuming i can describe where it is, a way to get into it , find someone who will go look at it , and it hasnt been vandalized. ) thanx again all ------sincerely, shawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Good luck. It always sucks to have to leave a truck anywhere in the bush. You just never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiNi Beast Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Sucks to hear about the issues,. so was you doing out playing by yourself when this all happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 the haynes manual say it requires removal of the fuel tank for '88 and earlier so I'm not sure what to do and am pressed caues i gotta start a new job in the morn and can't just get a tow truck becuse of where its situated. Haynes is wrong. The access is on the upper inside (not the top) of the tank, facing the drive shaft. The entire pump and fuel gauge sender assembly is on a mounting flange that's held into the tank by a locking ring and a rubber gasket. You do not need to drop the tank to remove the fuel pump. It wil be much easier, though, if you drop the rear drive shaft to give you room to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvusse Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I agree with Eagle. Having had several issues with my sender unit, I was removing/reinstalling it almost weekly for a few months. No need to drop the tank or remove the drive shaft, but removing the drive shaft does make it a little easier. Upside is, I bet I can now remove one, change out the pump and have it reinstalled within 20 minutes tops, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 A huge thank you to all who replied. the update so far is : i made it to work, back's feeling a little better, and while i was there, a guy from my local wheeling, who ive never met, phoned and went with my wife and pulled it back to civilization with his YJ. apparently he knew a landowner nearby and was able to pull it through his property. i just go in from work and i now have the option of having it towed- which make a huge difference to me. there's some good people out there (and around here too). ya - i guess i was playing alone . - it started with simply taking the dog out for a run, but one trail led to another....... and ended with me and the dog in a taxi home. tomorrow's another day . - thanx again to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiNi Beast Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 good to hear you got your rig out. Hope your back gets better and when it does you need to make good friends with the sir that helped you :yes: For future dog walks :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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