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Me too. Fingers crossed

This is probably a real possibility due to the lessened EPA requirements for a light truck. Ram just announced a more-than-likely return to a Rampage which follows the Honda Ridgeline and original Rampage/El Camino model: A minivan ( Honda) or car-cased ( Rampage/ El Camino) platform with a one-piece body that integrates a bed. That might also help off-set some of the more mpg-thirsty Jeep offerings in CAFE compliance.

I admit to driving, um, aggressively. I generally replace the filter more often than recommended and notice my various turbo cars from over the years seem to be more sensitve. I can often bang the old filter onto the ground and it leaves behind a pattern reminiscent of a a vacuum cleaner fliter. Maybe it is my geographic area? I wish the sig line was original but I have no idea where I heard it form originally.

I have also found the MPG of my injected vehicles to be very sensitive to a dirty air filter.

That makes a Pacer look acceptable.

A stock 727 can handle 530hp/560tq with no issues..... :thumbsup: Pulled one out of a junk yard, cleaned it up, put in a manual valve body & new converter, and it is working fine 11 years later.

"Winter fuel/ Summer fuel" is a reality in the U.S. I am not sure about Canuckia. It is actually an emissions thing. You can search it up on many websites: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/summer-fuel1.htm Is it effective? Not sure. It is like the E85 lie: 25% of the cost at the pump...with 25% less efficiency to make it even out and then less potential power to make it a sucker's bet.

This is a $1,200 4x4 4.0 MJ I would keep shopping

Some people do wheel new jeeps.The only jeep I ever purchased new was the aforementioned KJ. I bought it on a Tuesday and took it for an organized trail ride that Saturday with the temporary tags still on it. The biggest limiting factor was the horrible stock tires. It was lifted & had a locker installed as soon as the main 12 month/12,000 warranty was surpassed. That being said such examples are a rarity & that is the reason I cited earlier in this post as to why manufacturers really do not care about how expensive or hard it will be to modify vehicles. Such actions do not make them any money and most moderately off-roaded jeeps are not purchased off of a used car lot from my experience. They are bought from private owners, usually a few owners down the line, and in a well-used condition. I would say that the demographics of those buying a late-model used jeep on a lot, especially one that was a trade-in at a dealer, are not all that much different from those who buy new and that the vast majority of such late-model used jeeps are financed. That they are making payments on it is probably a common reason that keeps down the number of people hammering on their late-model used jeeps pretty hard, I suspect. I can assure you that XJ's (started sales in '83) and YJ's ( started sales in '87) were pretty rare trail sights into the early '90s but they are everywhere now.

12.1 in a truck that light is way too slow for 517 HP. If optimized that claimed combo should be running high 10's when it hooks up. That ET indicates closer to 390-400 hp. Still not bad but just a reminder that "confirmed" may not mean "real."

The vehicle pictured here could easily be a Caliber, Patriot, Compass or Mitsubishi GS as mentioned above. This is a high-dollar factory creation equal to a concept car and as such may or may not even function. The lift kits for the MK platform are basically small, up to 2", spacers for the factory coils. Even this small of a change requires new rear upper control arms as the geometry is wrong without them. The most popular lift is by Rocky Road Outfitters, an outfit with a dubious reputation that has sold lifts in the past that they continued to sell even after overwhelming evidence that they were both unsafe and damaging to the vehicle. And that 2" lift? It allows you to fit massive 29" tall tires...but a check of the Compass boards show that despite RRO's claims those tires rub (surprise surprise). 28" is considered the maximum. And make sure you don't have the CVT... ANY lift and larger tires is apparently frying that slush-box. As the CVT is the only version offered as trail-rated due to its CPU program that is supposed to mimic a low range that is problematic. These things run a shaft straight out of the FWD transaxle to the rear. As there is no way to have a "low range" without a transfer case when you select low range it actually just changes the gas pedal inputs and tranny program to make you think you have a low range. If you wish it for an AWD inclement weather vehicle that can handle dirt or unimproved roads, you might be onto something. Realistic expectations up front will probably lead to a more satisfying ownership experience.

Tease!

The "base platform pan" comprises about 60% of the car's components and we should not think of it as a "floor pan" from an older vehicle. What percentage of a car makes up the cosmetic form outside of the pan including the entire body, windows, interior, wheels/tires? Maybe 30-40%? The Ford Focus, Mazda3, and Volvo S40 also share a platform and at least 60% of their components while the uninformed buy them with no idea that the are the same car in most respects but appearance and tuning of existing components. The vast majority of the new Cherokees's sales are predicted to be of the front-wheel drive version with the same engine as the Dart, the 2.4L I4. So essentially I was incorrect when I stated that it was an all wheel drive Dart station wagon: for most it will be exactly a Dart station wagon. I think it exemplifies my claim that the new overlords at FIAT do not have Jeep heritage or later modifications in mind. The reviews that I have read often cautioned against expecting much out of any but the Trailhawk that runs about $35,000 as tested in most reviews. I have found numerous incorrect statements in ALLPAR over the years. I have seen several corrected when they were publicized. And ALLPAR's opinion of the Dodge Calib....uh, Jeep Compass? http://www.allpar.com/reviews/13/compass-patriot-offroad.html . I have also read positive reviews of the Patriot/Compass twins in mags and blogs, including allpar, that rely on ad revenue to survive. I am not really ready to jump on their bandwagon though. The three only share a basic platform pan as the bodies and cosmetics are unique. But do you really think that the Caliber/Patriot/Compass are different cars because of that? Want a kicker? The Mitsubishi GS is also on that platform. I am not about to try to lift a Mitsu GS and tackle Superlift Off-road Park. I take it by your referring to the company as "us" you work for Chrysler? Or do you work for franchisee dealership and not Chrysler directly? Either way how close to the mark do my points on the "MK" platform's products land? I have stated this before and will again: With equal mods and tire size a KJ will do anything an XJ will do. The difference comes in the ability to mod the vehicle beyond a certain point. I routinely wheeled my '05 KJ with a V6, NSG370 six-speed stick, NP241 x-fer found only with this combo, 2.5" lift, rear locker, on 31" tires with numerous XJ's with similar mods. It was never "outperformed" by a similar XJ and sadly, outperformed my 4.5" lifted MJ with an LSD D44 on 32's over the same obstacles. The fact that a 6-speed KJ equals an auto TJ Rubicon's crawl ratio is no doubt part of it. That is personal experience and a 1st person account. The creation of a single line live axle version of the Rubicon would increase the cost of that vehicle beyond reason. "Cool" in no way equals "realistic." They could make it with portal axles and 40" tires from the factory and that,too, would be cool. But not realistic. "When Fiat presented its five-year plan in November, 2009 – Allpar has an in-depth piece on it – we were told that vehicles on Fiat platforms would have Jeep DNA like the seven-slot grille, "short overhang, trapezoid wheel-arches, functional interior ... visibility, durable materials, handling in bad weather, advanced four-wheel drive and towing capacity." The plan was "to re-establish the brand with a new look, feel and attitude," focusing on on-road manners, fuel efficiency and adding content for its "largest group of owners," the "Dreamers..." Doesn't sound like any real commitment to "legacy" exists beyond appearance and name plate. Jeep DNA? Only in the way that Bill Shoemaker and Andre Roussimoff share the same DNA. FIAT bought Chrysler to gain a foot-hold in the U.S. as it was cheaper than building that large of an infrastructure and having it key-ready. They had been making overtures to this for years but the build-from-ground-up model was considered too expensive. Re-body-ing existing products to move away from their polarizing designs into American-friendly ones is their goal. That Jeep and truck sales are increasing is a bonus and is based mainly on products that pre-date their control of the company.

Yep. The twist keeps the loop from folding flat and makes it easier to hook around things where you may not be able to hold the loop open and slip it over the object at the same time. Again I know this is something we all know but it never hurts to say it again: never use a metal-hooked strap for extractions. They can kill you.

Say you spend 1500 on a beater and gain 10 MPG. You get a beater with unknown issues that may not really be in better shape than your MJ and it would take a year at 12,000 miles of driving and $4 a gallon gas. Just a thought...

The other variable is how long do you want to make that 1,000 hp? Enough "power adders" could do it to many engines...briefly.

Here are a couple of chart thats may be more representative of our need's in the 4x4 world and includes a rough guide for both types of u-joints: Even though all are a little crude the next two show the importance of having as long of drive shaft as possible to aid in keeping the angles right when compared to the top one.

I am pretty certain that torque wrenches, including the beam type, do move as you apply torque in order for the pointer to move along the scale for measurement don't they? Even you say "watch the pointer...rise..." which clearly indicates movement, however small, as the pointer is directly connected to the wrench shaft. . OK then, since you insist, toss the beam torque wrench in my example and substitute a preset "dial-in limit" torque wrench. You will not see the pointer move, but you will feel the "clik" when you exceed the preset dialed-in torque threshold (whatever the setting), so you know you are generating torque without movement, work, and power. . Like the example better now? :) Not really as how do you get it to click if it doesn't move? Deflection is also movement..... Just poking the bear and I don't think we will get anywhere so I will drop this :thumbsup: I actually did make a suggestion as to a possible resource source by looking at a different group like drag racers. But as this topic is entirely an exercise in what-ifs & make-believe due to "no budget limitations" and other pre-set perimeters it is not like anyone is messing up someone's "help my MJ won't start" post. Thus it was placed in The Pub and not Tech, yes?

If you could get it for under $100 you might be able to use some of the pieces if you have the ability to piece the rest together anyway. As mentioned the rear springs and shocks are worthless for an MJ. Revolver type shackles have many more critics than supporters from what I have read. You are getting a used track bar, used front springs, and used shocks all of which are of unknown make and some brands are downright junk even new. The rest is scrap IMHO.

Remember that list is what the guy is claiming to need repaired. What is unlisted? How is that AX15 and clutch after the abuse they would taken with those tires on 3.07 gears? Granted the ad implies that it does not come with the tires pictured as it says it will have "rollers" which are just four tires that hold air long enough to move the thing around. But the damage is probably already done to those components and maybe the engine bearings/pistons from lugging. Nowhere does it say it is a factory MJ D44, either. It is possible considering the factory options but the MJ D44 is over-priced, anyway, IMHO. You could get a 4.10 8.8 with rear discs for less than the D44 re-gear alone would cost and who would spend a dime to re-gear to 3.07's?? Re-gear of the front would be required to match the rear but a re-gear is required to make any decent use of the truck with tires of the size pictured. Considering the frame that truck is toast and is not worth what it would take to fix it. $500 tops but whatever a scrap vehicle goes for in your area might be more realistic. This is a $1000 4x4 MJ with a factory limited-slip D44, 4.0, and AW4. Granted it is unlifted but sometimes doing it yourself to know what you have is worth it: After $500 worth of lift parts and 32" tires/rims I already had to replace the 31's that came on it:

I would blame their Italian owners who have very little recent solid-axle experience and share none of Jeep's history. That being said in stock form a full independent suspension stock Wrangler could probably perform as well as the stock live axle Wrangler. Now here is the kicker: that would be dandy for FIAT as they do not care about jeepers who modify their vehicles using aftermarket parts that make them no profit. The best point of live-axle use, IMHO, is the relatively inexpensive methods to lift and modify the vehicle. FIAT does not care about that at all. No manufacturer cares what us cheap-butted jeepers will do with a jeep 2 or 3 owners past its original sale. Also remember this: The new Cherokee is nothing but an AWD Dodge Dart station wagon just as the Patriot/Compass were re-bodied AWD Dodge Calibers. And the Dart's origins, and therefore the Cherokee's origins? The FIAT produced sub-compact Alfa Romeo Giulietta. And when I think off-roading I immediately think Alfa Romeo Giulietta. If you want to see the origin of the new Cherokee click here: http://www.alfaromeo.com/com/#/models/giulietta

Well an XJ would look like this (if I remember right) after 7 rolls at 45 mph. And yes she's fine, she walked away with a broken figure. Sorry for the tinny picture, it was texted to me a couple years ago when I first got my xj. It was my female friend at the time, best friend Image Not Found I am happy to hear of her good fortune on the injury front. That flattened roof is oh so common in XJ rollovers ( and probably our MJ's, too, I just lack evidence) and usually occurs during the first roll or two. Then as long was your body is below the beltline after the failure you have the stronger portion of the body protecting you. Imagine being tightly strapped to a high-back bucket as that roof caved... If the roof bent you back or didn't bend you at all and you took the full force of the collapse... . That right there is the best argument I have seen and heard for installing some kind of rollover protection. Good suggestion. Due to lack of evidence I can't say the MJ has the exact same weakness as the XJ but I suspect it does I have read where the Liberty has over twice the structural rigidity of the XJ Cherokee and that may be true as the KJ is over 700-800 pounds heaver than the XJ. I am not cracking on the XJ as most every vehicle is several factors more safe for an occupant after a redesign then its immediate predecessor. The Liberty was even called the Cherokee everywhere but N. America

The 2.5 is a dandy basis to begin mods and is used in a few NHRA classes. Maybe searching in that direction will help you out. Good luck.

. I think you would benefit from a review of the definitions of power and torque. Though I doubt you would agree, pretty much everything you had to say was in support of my first post in this thread. . You asked "How do you "twist" something without power?" Here is an example for you: clamp the square end of a spring-beam torque wrench into a bench vise. Pull on the handle, and watch the pointer on the torque scale rise. You are generating torque, but doing no work because you have not moved anything, nor are you generating power, because power is a measure of how fast work is done. Another example: sitting on the lowered tailgate of your MJ generates torque about the tailgate hinge equal to your weight times the distance you sit from the hinge, but doing so does no work nor generates any power at all. . Horsepower and torque are related, just as I said in more detail in my first post, but torque alone does nothing at all. I am pretty certain that torque wrenches, including the beam type, do move as you apply torque in order for the pointer to move along the scale for measurement don't they? Even you say "watch the pointer...rise..." which clearly indicates movement, however small, as the pointer is directly connected to the wrench shaft.

And what cost? I never heard that. I do recall that expirement and other similar versions as the attempt a sport compact class in NHRA. The now decades old claim that hipo 4-bangers would lead to the abandonment of v8 pro-stock & other v8 drag cars was entirely wrong and the compact class using such engines died quickly. Right or wrong most every form of motor racing in America is still dominated by V8's.