Torq_Shep Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I am second guessing myself on the order of operations on work on my truck. I pulled the windshield prematurely as I may be getting another one from a friend assuming I can pull it without breaking it (off a 2001 Cherokee). Well now that I have the windshield off, the interior is stripped, and most of the front end is off as I had to get to the door jam on the drivers side to fix the hinge. I am considering painting the cab before putting everything back together. Here is my dilemma. I already have high dollar PPG clear sitting on the shelf (enough to paint the truck) as I used to have a side gig painting fenders and bumpers. As everything I was painting was for car flippers I used cheap SS primer/base (insert touchup paint companies) and sprayed good clear over them. I would like to use a 2k primer, 2k base, and my PPG clear. However, I am not too keen on paying for high dollar base as once cleared I have never had a failure (even after 5+ years on an outside car I did for a friend) with the craptastic single stage. If I went with Summit or Eastwood paint they are made by Kirker with good reviews. However, does anyone have any other recommendations or know which Summit/Eastwood red matches Colorado red the closest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatslug87 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Question, what's the cost difference between the "craptastic single stage" and the "high dollar primer/base"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiNi Beast Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torq_Shep Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 Meant to quote fiatslug... Craptastic single stage I can get for $100 a gallon, Summit/Eastwood 2k Base is $220 a gallon, PPG when I last priced it in a metallic was like $700. I am going to call the jobber tomorrow and see what they have in Nason or Shopline (or somewhere in that quality range). I kind of expect 400-500 a gallon. I expect PPG primer to be like $300 but that is a guess. Eastwood is like $120. Both are better than what I have used in the past with okay results (only 1 failure using crap primer with a white basecoat, pretty sure it was a mismatch with the primer that came on the fender). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Colorado red is red, it is not metallic. FWIW, Rustoleum red in the rattle cans is almost a perfect match for Colorado Red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89 MJ Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 On my truck, I used PPG primer, PPG clear, and PPG's Omni line for paint. Paint for my truck (Brilliant Blue Metallic) was $250 per gallon from our local paint shop. And my truck could be considered a "show truck". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I have ppg dimzler on mine. 2019 Aston Martin cinnabar Orange. Lots and lots of pearl. That being said, I used to pint quite a bit with summit single stage low voc. My last coat of base I would mix in some clear along with the single stage. Then I cleared over that but always added a bit of single stage to the clear. Super hard and added much more depth then single stage by itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torq_Shep Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Eagle said: Colorado red is red, it is not metallic. FWIW, Rustoleum red in the rattle cans is almost a perfect match for Colorado Red. I should have phrased my post a bit different =P The last time I quoted PPG it was for a blue metallic. Not sure what the cost is for a solid red. In any case, I have painted whole cars with rustoleum. If it is cut and polished and well sprayed you honestly can't tell the difference from far off. However, the shine doesn't last and spraying lacquer makes it a pain to repaint in anything other than lacquer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCO6 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 40 minutes ago, Torq_Shep said: I should have phrased my post a bit different =P The last time I quoted PPG it was for a blue metallic. Not sure what the cost is for a solid red. In any case, I have painted whole cars with rustoleum. If it is cut and polished and well sprayed you honestly can't tell the difference from far off. However, the shine doesn't last and spraying lacquer makes it a pain to repaint in anything other than lacquer. I haven't sprayed with Rustoleum but I have with Tremclad enamel which is basically the same thing, just more popular and available in Canada. Rustoleum owns Tremclad. I'm doing my LJ right now and you're right, good spray, cut, polish, etc. and it turns out well. Regarding "shine" are you referring to Rustoleum lacquer or enamel, or both? I haven't shot lacquer in decades and it was a Dupont product. I've never shot Rustoleum/Tremclad lacquer other than aerosols. The Tremclad enamel shine has been OK, not the best and certainly not show quality but good for my Jeeps and the way I use them. I like doing it myself and keeping things simple because there's always something that needs to be touched up or reshot. I took mine in for a new windshield yesterday. It was 0*C and a bit cold. I returned a few Jeep waves along the way and I think I startled them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torq_Shep Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, PCO6 said: I haven't sprayed with Rustoleum but I have with Tremclad enamel which is basically the same thing, just more popular and available in Canada. Rustoleum owns Tremclad. I'm doing my LJ right now and you're right, good spray, cut, polish, etc. and it turns out well. Regarding "shine" are you referring to Rustoleum lacquer or enamel, or both? I haven't shot lacquer in decades and it was a Dupont product. I've never shot Rustoleum/Tremclad lacquer other than aerosols. The Tremclad enamel shine has been OK, not the best and certainly not show quality but good for my Jeeps and the way I use them. I like doing it myself and keeping things simple because there's always something that needs to be touched up or reshot. I took mine in for a new windshield yesterday. It was 0*C and a bit cold. I returned a few Jeep waves along the way and I think I startled them. Enamel! Sorry I said lacquer... My first Comanche (Circa 2012 when they had not started appreciating yet) was painted Rusto white and I spent hours and hours sanding and polishing. It looked great for about 2 years at a time and then I would have to polish it out again to make it not look like chalk. I love Rusto but I don't think I will paint another vehicle with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCO6 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Torq_Shep said: Enamel! Sorry I said lacquer... My first Comanche (Circa 2012 when they had not started appreciating yet) was painted Rusto white and I spent hours and hours sanding and polishing. It looked great for about 2 years at a time and then I would have to polish it out again to make it not look like chalk. I love Rusto but I don't think I will paint another vehicle with it. I've had decent luck with it. Again, far from show quality. I wonder if it might be that it's a LOT hotter and probably more sunny where you are. Mine will be covered in snow for 4 months of the year ... that's gotta help! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torq_Shep Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 Pros of the south... No rust... Cons of the south... No paint... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89 MJ Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, Torq_Shep said: Pros of the south... No rust... Cons of the south... No paint... Rocker panels, floors, cab corners, bedsides > paint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogmorgo Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Come up to Alberta. It would be nice to have either paint or cab corners, rockers, and floors. My shortbed has none of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torq_Shep Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 Ended up buying Nason Primer and Basecoat to go below the PPG clear that I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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