Strokermjcomanche Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Months back when i called the the Winnebago place out west they had a 0 mile IP for $600 along with other parts . I can try to locate his number if you don't already have it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraMarty Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 Months back when i called the the Winnebago place out west they had a 0 mile IP for $600 along with other parts . I can try to locate his number if you don't already have it . I would appreciate that. I don't have that number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokermjcomanche Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 They are in Iowa 1-800-933-7742 (Terry in parts) Mobility R.V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraMarty Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 I called WinnebagoParts.com Terry at Mobility R.V. He was very nice and helpful. Unfortunately the Winnebago Injection Pump and Turbo are slightly different from the Jeep and will not fit and work. They have tried in the past. His winne rebuilt IP is $829 and they do not offer a rebuilding service. And the winne Turbo is $699. He does have many 'engine' parts for the engine that are the same as for the Jeep. It is the 'peripheral' bolt on parts that he doesn't have and that are different with the Jeep. He gave me the same Jeep IP part number as posted above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillithium Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 :thumbsup:I'm visiting the renault dealer tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraMarty Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 Glow plugs and glow plug controller came today. RockAuto shipments from England are nearly faster than US shipments. Postage/FedEx is expensive from England. I also bought an extra set of glow plugs and extra 8 rocker arms as they only increased shipping $4. Now waiting on the starters. One has already been shipped form RockAuto in England and another one from Autozone. I will compare both to each other and to the original starter and see which one to use and which one to return or keep as spare. I ordered a 3rd starter but it is backordered until new year. I might have to cancel this 3rd starter order after I see the other 2 starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraMarty Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 A couple of Updates. Took the IP to Miller Diesel in Harrisburg. He looks at it, takes a few screws out and says that it has been rebuilt before and it was poorly and incorrectly done. Miller Diesel is an authorized Bosch dealers/rebuilder. He rebuilt it, put it on the test bench and didn't like the ?'alignment' and took it apart and ? adjusted something and it now tests 'as factory'. Painted it black and put his name on it. They are not the cheapest, but they are the best. Picked it up and brought it home. With the IP out, the glow plugs, controller, motor mount and starter are sitting right there all accessible. Went to Quadratec for the motor mounts. Took the starter out, as it's age is unknown and if original, it has 190k on it. Sure as $#!&, in 6 months it would go bad. It is not accessible from underneath and is only accessible with the IP out. Ordered 2 starters, one from Autozone and the other RockAuto England. The Autozone one was wrong- # of teeth, direct drive, bigger, heavier, screw not spade for starter wire. Took it back for a refund. The RockAuto was close- gear reduction, but no bracket on the backside to attach to side of motor. This bracket seems necessary to support the back of the starter so that it doesn't crack and break the bell housing. So, took the original starter to a local rebuilder. At the garage that is one of the few that still rebuilds alternators and starters, I have had work done that before and know the counter guy. I bring in the starter in a box, take it out of the box, it is oily from a leaky rear seal, and set it on the counter and tell him I maybe need it rebuilt. Another guy behind the counter, 10 feet away looks over at it and says 'It's from a Renault'. Of all the car names he could have said, he says Renault. Then he comes over and looks at it. He says when you have been doing this for 40 years you get to know your starters. He says he will clean it up and look it over and rebuild what he thinks it will need, if anything. I definately think he is the right guy for this job. Come back in 2-3 days. WOW! So still need to pick up the starter, install the starter, motor mounts, glow plugs and controller and then finally install the rebuilt IP. Miller did say to always use a diesel fuel additive, as today's diesel fuel sucks and varnishs the IPs. And to never use 'grease'/home brew diesel in this IP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Automan2164 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I keep some Power Service Diesel Fuel additive and Marvel Mystery oil in the tool box for fill ups. I used to do it all the time when I had my '97 Dodge 12 Valve Cummins and it was a carry over habit.Good to hear you are on your way.Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnj92131 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 DieselMarty, What did Miller Diesel charge to rebuild the injection pump? I had a VW injection pump rebuilt in Portland for about $850 and another on cost me $1150. So if you have somebody more reasonable than that..I sure would like to know. Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraMarty Posted December 22, 2014 Author Share Posted December 22, 2014 He wasn't the cheapest, but I believe he is one of the best. He knew right off that the IP was rebuilt and was done incorrectly. He had the parts or could get them and knew how to fix the past rebuild mistakes and make it like new, test it all within new specs. The bad, $1250. Warrantied. If it is good for another 150K and 35mpg, I'm good with that. IDK how much for the VW IP but it is very similar to the Jeep's. Might also be depending on parts needed. I needed a few, maybe more than a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraMarty Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 Now the starter... -starter from autozone was the wrong one, incorrect number of teeth, returned for credit -starter from RockAuto England is very similiar and should work but doesn't hav the support bracket on the back side, will keep it for ?parts or spare -original starter taken to rebuilder and taken apart and everything bad, not ever worth rebuilding, would cost more than new one. -Ebay starter ordered from FL, looke the same, even has the bracket on the back to bolt to the block to prevent bellhousing breakage. Waiting for UPS after the christmas rush. Hopefully next week can get it all back together. Rare Jeeps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraMarty Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 So in the end, none of the starters were right. Ended up using the old starter front nose and putting it on the RockAuto starter. Had to reclock the motor on the gear reduction to get the brackets in the right position for the rear mount bracket. Returning the ebay FL starter. Pic is correct, the starter they sent is not as in the pic. Installed the starter and glow plugs. The glow plug controller I got from RA was wrong, that's OK as my stock one still works. Went to install the motor mounts and the 2.1L Diesel motor mounts are 4.0 and not 2.5 mounts as I thought. Gotta exchange those today. Then install motor mounts and install the Injector pump and hopefully START!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 So in the end, none of the starters were right. Ended up using the old starter front nose and putting it on the RockAuto starter. Had to reclock the motor on the gear reduction to get the brackets in the right position for the rear mount bracket. Returning the ebay FL starter. Pic is correct, the starter they sent is not as in the pic. Installed the starter and glow plugs. The glow plug controller I got from RA was wrong, that's OK as my stock one still works. Went to install the motor mounts and the 2.1L Diesel motor mounts are 4.0 and not 2.5 mounts as I thought. Gotta exchange those today. Then install motor mounts and install the Injector pump and hopefully START!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraMarty Posted January 29, 2015 Author Share Posted January 29, 2015 Keeping that bracket on the rear of the starter which bolts to the block is really important. I think that if it was missing then the weight of the starter plus it's starting torque will halp contribute to breaking the bellhousings which these are prone to have. Friggne snow and cold, no progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraMarty Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Driver side motor mount in. New Glow Plugs in. Fixed a few wires and splices. Tomorrow hopefully the Injector pump will go in and retime the timing belt and give it a start. Keep your fingers crossed. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbyluvv Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I'm glad you keep updating this thread. I might not post in it (mainly because I have nothing to add) but, I do read it. I personally appreciate the knowledge you are passing on. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraMarty Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 Yesterday was warmer, 35* but no wind, snow or rain. My son installed the IP and all the fuel lines. Replaced 1 broken rubber fuel line. Pulled the radiator, crank pulley and re-timed the belt, the crank and cam didn't move, just had to time the IP. He is getting good at that, like the 10th time. Bought a bulb fuel primer and primed the IP. Went to crank and it only clicked. The ground cable pulled out of the cheapo battery cable clamp. Fixed that and it cranked and started. Sputtered and coughed until the IP was all clear of air. Idled fine and took it for a test drive. All is well, worked fine. Now he just has to burn out the 32 gallons of summer diesel fuel and add some winter blend. Knock wood, so far so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebvance Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Nice!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraMarty Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Son drove it like 200 miles today. He went to NJ and met up with some guys from here with 2 Diesel Comanches. He said it was quite a site with 3x 2.1 Diesel Jeeps all in one spot. So hopefully now we can get back to all the other little things that need to be addressed like getting the front drive shaft installed and getting back to 4WD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 It's really cool you guys stayed with it to get this thing going down the road again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugalo Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 This posting is what Comanche Club is all about..........sharing knowledge and techniques. Great job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraMarty Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 first start up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoQDxw_vljc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraMarty Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 Yesterday was outside shoveling snow and after was moving cars in the driveway. 20*F. Tried the diesel. Wasn't sure because the cold start mechanism was not hooked up. Glow plug light on, waited, light off and it sputtered, died, sputtered, died. After about 3 tries it caught, sputtered and then cleared up and idled and reved as usual. All this still with summer fuel and additive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeast Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I Love the diesels!!!! Glad it's running! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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