Amendment 64

[fiatslug87]

[JeepcoMJ]

Worse effect to your reaction time, though...and aside from blood testing, they can't regulate whether you drive while high.

[HOrnbrod]

You're welcome, I developed a lot of DAU tests at my previous employer (now it's infectious diseases. )

Remember, everything in moderation even moderation.

 

Hey Mike, I heard you can catch infectious diseases by handling banana slugs. True?

 

:peek:

[fiatslug87]

Hey Mike, I heard you can catch infectious diseases by handling banana slugs. True?

 

:peek:

Most definitely, you should see some of the women in Santa Cruz.

[Sir Sam]

Most definitely, you should see some of the women in Santa Cruz.

 

BWAHAHAHAHA

[jeepdoggydogB]

Most definitely, you should see some of the women in Santa Cruz.

LOL! Unibrow

[terrawombat]

Worse effect to your reaction time, though...and aside from blood testing, they can't regulate whether you drive while high.

 

Urine? Or does it take too long to get into the urinary tract?

 

I've tinkered with the substance, but my body has a low tolerance for it. I generally wind up getting dizzy and needing to lie down for a prolonged period of time - I don't see the fun in that.

 

Of the habitual users I know, I would say that 75% of them are no longer capable of functioning at a normal, productive level as their non-using selves. When they used to be productive and on top of their work, they have slowly become a lot lazier, unreliable and do not pay enough attention to detail. Everything seems to become, "Yea, whatever" to them. I'm all about letting loose and having fun, but not when it affects my professional career.

[Guest]

Everything seems to become, "Yea, whatever" to them. I'm all about letting loose and having fun, but not when it affects my professional career.

Funny; my personality has always been the "Yeah, whatever" approach to things; though I do think of myself as a very productive worker / stickler for details.

 

Back in high school, people used to think I was a serious user (the long hair and Lennon glasses didn't help either) but I only touched the stuff a few times. Inherited a very high tolerance to weed and hooch from my old man. Though, his stories are for another time. :shake:

[fiatslug87]

Urine? Or does it take too long to get into the urinary tract?

Most drug screening is performed on urine (DAU=Drugs of Abuse in Urine). Drug metabolites get in the urine very quickly, some such as MDMA (Ecstasy) have a very short half life (a few days) while THC (marijuana) can be detected a month after use.

[Automan2164]

Most drug screening is performed on urine (DAU=Drugs of Abuse in Urine). Drug metabolites get in the urine very quickly, some such as MDMA (Ecstasy) have a very short half life (a few days) while THC (marijuana) can be detected a month after use.

 

I'm in the same boat as most here as far as 'Never even tried it', but my curiosity has been spiked as it sounds like you may know the answer to a pondering of mine...

 

Do any of those 'flush' products really work? I mean, they sell all these whiz quiz one uppers, but does any of that crap work?

 

Rob

[fiatslug87]

I've been out of drug testing development for over ten years, when I developed them there were products that would interfere with certain testing technologies, however we made our tests insensitive to them. I remember subscribing to High Times magazine to see what the latest adulterant was. That being said, just like any other clandestine venture someone always thinks of a way to step it up, so it's always a game of cat and mouse. But since there are several major DAU manufacturers with their own detection methods, I would not take a chance on a universal adulterant. As far as the stuff that supposedly decreases clearance time I do not know since my job was to detect material present not how fast it cleared.

[jimoshel]

When I went to work at Los Alamos I already had a top secret clearance. I had to do the pee in a bottle trick for my 'Q' clearance. The nice, but bored stiff young lady at the desk points to door, tells me to fill one of the bottles sitting on the shelf and return it to her. I did. I also pocketed a cap from one of the other bottles. Without really looking she placed the bottle in a brown envelope and casually tossed it it over her shoulder into a basket full of similiar brown envelopes. Reaching into my pocket I got the cap and dropped it on her desk with the question , "Oh. Was I supposed to replace the cap"? You never saw a bored person come to life so quickly and make a grab for the basket. She was kind of unhappy with me after that.

[shawn]

i have to test for work all the time ( if i go across that line to the texas of the north, alberta). tests are a beeze. just drink cranberry juice for 2 days, then take the test. then I'm free to smoke on the thousand mile drive to the oil sands. -the whole thing is a rediculous and wasteful make work project as the alcohol and cocain users can clean up in one day , so they end up with no problems getting the clearance. thats why there is so many crackheads and drunks still working there. -the whole american style drug screening is a massive circle-jerk and actually does the opposite of what it is designed to do. it actually makes the work place alot less safe, but yet fulfills the requirements for the insurance companies. -the whole thing is very sad and a lot of albertans that might have been casual pot users end up turning into coke heads because at least the can get to work. --has probably ruined a lot of families. :(

[shawn]

i feel that i should add that here in b.c, my union does a different kind of drug testing that i feel is a lot more sensible. for certain mine jobs they still want a test done, but they do a swab of saliva test that actually tests for impairment. it still doesn't make much sense when done days before even starting the job, but at least it doesn't concern itself with whether or not you had a toke 3 weeks ago on your day off.

[Automan2164]

In Illinois, your employer has the right to a random drug test. Every month or so, they have to take you to the hospital for a whiz quiz.

 

Rob

[shawn]

if they have that "right", then that must be a right that you gave up.

that , is the most orwellian thing i have ever heard, what about the freedumbs ?? ( just tell em you were in colorado on the weekend and not to concern them selves with your private life).

[Automan2164]

Because of the higher standards of maintaining and operating with a Commercial Drivers License, CDL, the state says that you can be subject to a drug screening without notice. Also with a CDL, when operating a CDL vehicle, the DUI limit gets dropped to .04 from the normal .08 for standard drivers. I'm not complaining any or at all. I think in the 6 years I have worked for the city, I may have been tested 3-4 times. Just depends on who's name gets drawn at random.

 

Rob

[mountainman]

Never done it myself. I don't hate it or the people who do it, but its really annoying to talk to someone that does it all the time. You can tell who they are, the slurred speech, slow drawl, droopy eyes, massive dilated pupils and a Bill and Ted blank stare, its pathetic. I'm still not buying the medical necessity.

 

Alcohol is the worst drug for the nation right now, but I'd bet if the country keeps going this direction, it'll become legal in more states. In 10 years we'll all be drunk, stoned or both.

 

Me, I'll just remain a legal and happy drinker. :cheers:

 

Yup... the bill and ted stare. The stupidity of its users isnt apparent to them. All they do is regurgitate its greatness at any opportunity. Yet.... ask them about their productivity over the last 90 days and see what they say.

[86FUBAR]

I guess having grown up around pot and living here in Cali makes me cringe at some of the comments I see on here I don't think it's a bad drug at all . Just like alcohol some abuse it , some can't function wile on it , some can't function without it and some can do it with virtually no ill effect or "bill and Ted stare". Probably 90% of my friends and family smoke pot and of that 90% probably 10% smoke all day long and are some of the hardest workers I know , two of them own/operate their own tile/granite business and quite well . As for me I can't smoke because I also have a CDL and get randomly drug tested at work but unlike Automan I've been "randomly" tested more than a dozen times in the 8 years I've been with the school district but that's probably because I can drive a school bus. If I didn't have a CDL I would be smoking in a heart beat but ! Sorry for the little rant , I just can't stand to see IMO close minded comments .

[terrawombat]

I don't really know if I'd call my comments close-minded. I've personally witnessed several of my friends just go completely down the crapper because of their habitual marijuana smoking. The one in particular that comes to mind was a fairly decent athlete in high school and is a pretty bright kid. He used his diabetes as an excuse to smoke a lot of pot saying it helped him cope. Ten years later and the kid is now overweight, has trouble breathing and has a data entry job in some cubicle maze in Trenton, NJ. His life has definitely changed for the worse because of the drug.

 

I'm not for or against the legalization of the stuff. Just like ghey marriage, I have no opinion because both issues have no direct effect on how I live my life. The only comment I have on the legalization of pot is I hope they tax the hell out of it, just like alcohol. It'd be nice to actually get something out of it that can benefit everyone - including the people that don't use the stuff.

[jimoshel]

Yup... the bill and ted stare. The stupidity of its users isnt apparent to them. All they do is regurgitate its greatness at any opportunity. Yet.... ask them about their productivity over the last 90 days and see what they say. In 10 years we'll all be drunk, stoned or both.

Ain't nothing worse than a drunk stone. Or should that be a stoned drunk?

[Sir Sam]

When I went to work at Los Alamos I already had a top secret clearance. I had to do the pee in a bottle trick for my 'Q' clearance. The nice, but bored stiff young lady at the desk points to door, tells me to fill one of the bottles sitting on the shelf and return it to her. I did. I also pocketed a cap from one of the other bottles. Without really looking she placed the bottle in a brown envelope and casually tossed it it over her shoulder into a basket full of similiar brown envelopes. Reaching into my pocket I got the cap and dropped it on her desk with the question , "Oh. Was I supposed to replace the cap"? You never saw a bored person come to life so quickly and make a grab for the basket. She was kind of unhappy with me after that.

 

Jim I learn something new about you all the time, when were you in Los Alamos? I lived there in the early 90s, strange little town, last time I was there it had changed a lot. Pretty country all around there though, lots of 4 wheeling, native history, and hot springs!

[Sir Sam]

Ten years later and the kid is now overweight, has trouble breathing and has a data entry job in some cubicle maze in Trenton, NJ.

 

To be fair that happens to most people ten years out of high school even if you are competely sober, if you are really unlucky you are saddled with a mortgage, wife, and kids too.

 

Wait......phuck.

[shawn]

anyone can pass a test anytime. sometimes i think they just give the tests to see if youre smart enough to pass the tests,lol. but seriously, after reading through this thread ive done a flip-flop. - i now believe that theres no way pot should be allowed in the states (except maybe the ones that border on the pacific).

[jimoshel]

Jim I learn something new about you all the time, when were you in Los Alamos? I lived there in the early 90s, strange little town, last time I was there it had changed a lot. Pretty country all around there though, lots of 4 wheeling, native history, and hot springs!

 

Was there in Jan-May 1969. They had a fancy gadget that was going to 'Nam and they didn't want to send one of there over paid white collar engineers with it so they looked for a tech who was smart enough to learn the system but dumb enough to enter a hot zone. Wound up with the 1st Marine Division in DaNang, Loved Los Alamos.The country was a Jeeper- out doors man paradise. Was over every trail in them mountains plus made a few new ones of my own.