Comanche County Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 The new CAFE standards are very worrisome. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07 ... latestnews There are European diesels that can get 50-75 mpg, but we won't see a mass conversion to diesels here in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenobian_84 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 :rant: @#$%ing morons. I'm sorry, but that's complete bull. Even the ECO-Friendly cars can only get about 46ish IF you drive with a feather foot on the gas pedal. I'd like to see the Big Three, hell, ANY company have a complete line (4-5) cars that can get that kind of mileage and still be affordable to the consumers by 2025. Good luck with that one. The average age of cars on the road today are 8-15 years old, and that's for MOST of them. Down here, I still see a slew of cars from the early 90s and 80s! Besides, the automakers are going to have to pass down the cost of all that technology to obtain that kind of mileage to the consumer. Have fun paying for your 50k+ car :no: :headpop: In the meantime, I'll enjoy driving around my MJ, getting 23 on the highway and 16 in the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinkrun Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 That and many other reasons is why Obama MUST be defeated !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 That and many other reasons is why Obama MUST be defeated !! Roger that, but I doubt Mitt the Twit is going to do it. This plan makes perfect sense. Utilize advanced technology to build more fuel efficient cars, then pay for the technology by increasing the fuel tax. :nuts: Sounds like a lose-lose proposition for us taxpayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Automan2164 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I can't take anything put on by Faux News without a canister of table salt. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I can't take anything put on by Faux News without a canister of table salt. Rob While I'm not a big fan of Fox News, or any of the others, this wasn't created or put on by Fox news. It's a report on opinions regarding Obama's politically motivated proposal that calls for a 5 percent annual increase in fuel economy for cars from 2017 to 2025, and to double auto fuel economy by 2025. All the news media are reporting on this "proposal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeepdoggydogB Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Ah yes the push to make the development of electric vehicles appear to be cheaper by requiring such high benchmarks for gasoline. The laughable unintended consequence to our bureaucrats in Government is that all those wonderful revenues gained from gas taxes start to evaporate when more and more vehicles use electricity. Out here in California the MTC's are already looking at a way to tax by the miles driven because they are already seeing revenue from gas taxes flatten out and are predicting mass declines. :clapping: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnj92131 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 The new CAFE standards are very worrisome. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07 ... latestnews There are European diesels that can get 50-75 mpg, but we won't see a mass conversion to diesels here in the US. Political claptrap by the "fair and balanced" right wing propaganda network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasbulliwagen Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 The new CAFE standards are very worrisome. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07 ... latestnews There are European diesels that can get 50-75 mpg, but we won't see a mass conversion to diesels here in the US. The European fuel milage standards are calculated differently than ours, thus making them look much better than US standards, which really isnt the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadinator Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Political claptrap by the "fair and balanced" right wing propaganda network. As opposed to the left wing propaganda networks. :nuts: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula69 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Ah yes the push to make the development of electric vehicles appear to be cheaper by requiring such high benchmarks for gasoline. The laughable unintended consequence to our bureaucrats in Government is that all those wonderful revenues gained from gas taxes start to evaporate when more and more vehicles use electricity. Out here in California the MTC's are already looking at a way to tax by the miles driven because they are already seeing revenue from gas taxes flatten out and are predicting mass declines. :clapping: Believe me, we'll pay for it in the end. Don't know about your area, but down here the electricty is produced by burning natural gas, so...when the electric cars actually do start clogging the roads, the taxpayer will just pay the higher costs for natural gas passed on through thier electric bills..... Last months electric bill for my house had $146.00 in actual Kwh costs...and a $130.00 "fuel surcharge".... :nuts: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Believe me, we'll pay for it in the end. :agree: So what else is new. Don't we always take it in the shorts? Such is life. But we are a bit better off than our European friends, at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cz777 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 :rant: @#$% morons. I'm sorry, but that's complete bull. Even the ECO-Friendly cars can only get about 46ish IF you drive with a feather foot on the gas pedal. I'd like to see the Big Three, hell, ANY company have a complete line (4-5) cars that can get that kind of mileage and still be affordable to the consumers by 2025. Good luck with that one. The average age of cars on the road today are 8-15 years old, and that's for MOST of them. Down here, I still see a slew of cars from the early 90s and 80s! Besides, the automakers are going to have to pass down the cost of all that technology to obtain that kind of mileage to the consumer. Have fun paying for your 50k+ car :no: :headpop: In the meantime, I'll enjoy driving around my MJ, getting 23 on the highway and 16 in the city. this so-call green crap is a commie way of control of the people ! lessen the living standard by self-cannibalization for less is more !!! i learned two things which will blow your mind , 1] there is NO shortage of oil but building new refineries and support of them 2] pipeline systems need to be build 3 this will set off a hell of a bang - with the nuke power with the use of sodium heat exchangers with coal = very cheap oil cracking oh yes this is a three way win cheap fuel and electricity ,more skilled labor jobs !!!! the last part is a up-dated way from the ww2 german synthesized oil system a 60 years old tech with a new twist ! look at what the green nuts like to do to the world http://thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm talk about some nut jobs, i have seen them back in the mid-80's so please go to the site and read how bad it is !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeepdoggydogB Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Ah yes the push to make the development of electric vehicles appear to be cheaper by requiring such high benchmarks for gasoline. The laughable unintended consequence to our bureaucrats in Government is that all those wonderful revenues gained from gas taxes start to evaporate when more and more vehicles use electricity. Out here in California the MTC's are already looking at a way to tax by the miles driven because they are already seeing revenue from gas taxes flatten out and are predicting mass declines. :clapping: Believe me, we'll pay for it in the end. Don't know about your area, but down here the electricty is produced by burning natural gas, so...when the electric cars actually do start clogging the roads, the taxpayer will just pay the higher costs for natural gas passed on through thier electric bills..... Last months electric bill for my house had $146.00 in actual Kwh costs...and a $130.00 "fuel surcharge".... :nuts: Out here we have a combination of electricity producers, geothermal, hydroelectric, nuclear, gas ETC. According to Nissans webpage recharging a leaf for example would cost $2 to $4 per charge on your electric bill and have a range of 100 miles. We have companies out here that are trying to sell solar panels to provide electricty to garage charging stations in private homes. The Governments strategy here is to provide charging stations (for a price) in public parking areas, and to tax miles driven. Despite all these taxes our highways (no more freeways out here as nothing is free), and roads are among the worst in our nation, and our taxes are among the highest. Ronald Reagan had a great speech about "taxation without representation" being a tyrany, California has some of the "worst" (meaning best examples) of such tyrany. I don't know about you younger folks, but I will drive my gas driven Comanche until I can no longer drive and if I have to leave California to do it I would leave in a heart beat. :waving: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula69 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Despite all these taxes our highways (no more freeways out here as nothing is free), and roads are among the worst in our nation, and our taxes are among the highest. Ronald Reagan had a great speech about "taxation without representation" being a tyrany, California has some of the "worst" (meaning best examples) of such tyrany. I don't know about you younger folks, but I will drive my gas driven Comanche until I can no longer drive and if I have to leave California to do it I would leave in a heart beat. :waving: Know what you mean and agree. I've been ranting about the electric company charging us for the electricity and the cost of the fuel to produce it for a while now (driving wife nuts!). They also charge for infrastructure maintenance and for a "reserve for future infrastructure development", (as well as taxes, of course!). CLECO (our electric company) is one of the few monopolys I know that actually has little (or no) overhead for cost of goods sold. It no wonder they have posted over 100% increase in profits each year for the last 3 years! :headpop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drcomanche Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 So, let me get this straight... The want to reduce foreign oil dependency by upping the Fleet fuel efficiency standard. So what happens when they completely crush our automotive industry. We will just be shelling out money for foreign vehicles instead. Sometimes, I wonder what it takes to be a congress member... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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