Blue88Comanche Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 There is one aspect here no one has mentioned yet. Are you ready to take a life if necessary? There are many cases on record where someone pulled a gun on a mugger, rapist, home breaker what ever and didn't use it. They then had the gun taken away from and used on them. Just something to think about. Excellent post. If you and everyone with access to the weapon is not prepared to use it, it is probably a greater liability than an asset! :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbrand Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I've owned a Taurus PT1911, a Springfield XD .40, and a Glock 17. I loved the way the 1911 felt in my hand, I loved the way it looked, and I liked the way it shot. However, after owning the other two, my personal preference is for a gun with no external safety. Lots of folks will have an opinion about it, but mine is, I want as few things to remember as possible, should I need to use the gun in an emergency. .45 is a little spendy to shoot, and reduces capacity compared to a 9mm or .40, but carries a bigger punch as well. The Glock is the gun I have now, and I carried it on an armored route for about a year. It shoots straighter than me, it's very easy to break down and clean, and you can find parts/upgrades anywhere. It holds 17 rounds, and 9mm is pretty cheap to shoot, so you can get good practice in at the range. It may have less stopping power than a .45, but what good is stopping power if you can't afford to put rounds downrange to practice? The XD is the favorite of the three I've owned - too bad I needed money a few years back and sold it. It felt a lot like the 1911 as far as shooting angle is concerned, and I liked the backstrap safety. It fit in my hand, it's reasonably light, and it's available in several different size/caliber combinations, so you can get the best fit for you. Springfield licensed the desgin from a Croatian company, where it's marketed as the HS2000 and is usually a bit cheaper. Get the compact/subcompact if you'll carry a lot, or get the full frame/tactical model if you want a bit more accuracy. Whatever you buy, pick up 500 rounds with it, and shoot. Practice drawing and returning to holster UNLOADED, so that it's muscle memory, should you ever need it. Practice dummy rounds are available to practice clearing jams and for adding realistic weight. Buy more rounds, and shoot more. Learn from someone who shoots better than you. tl;dr version: Try a bunch, buy the one that feels good, and practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitroxsteve Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 If you are looking for a CC gun then pick a gun you will actually carry. If a compact 9mm or 380 is the size that you can conceal easily then thats what I would go with. A .45 is great but if its too hard to conceal and stays at home then thats not a good carry gun. First rule for a gun fight is to have a gun. My CC gun is a Bersa 380cc and I love it you can get one new for around $300 (in my area at least) Its fun to shoot and will still fit in my front pocket (with holster) the biggest negative for 380 is ammo prices cheapest you can find for target ammo is around $17.00 for a box of 50. I have a Ruger P85 9mm that i love but never carry it because its too hard to conceal and I don't like leaving my gun in the truck. Have Fun, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1A1TankerTom Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 skidoo...your posts about guns make me want to cry. Just say you don't like glocks, but don't give a newbie bad info. After 7 years in the Army and the last 4 years as a LEO I would highly recomend a glock to anybody. Not saying its the best gun in the world but its a damn good weapon. If you have a proper holster you can carry a glock with a round chambered. I carry a G26 everyday off duty and a G17 on duty. I am sure every gun manufacturer in the world has had numerous kabooms so lets not just pick on glocks. Not trying to be an @$$ but I have heard untrue info given to newbs and then they take it to heart. bottom line is a gun is a tool. Decide what you want to use it for and try a bunch out. Whats good for you is not good for the next guy. Some will fit you better than others and you will shoot better with certain ones. The most important thing I can say is to GET TRAINING! You can have all the guns in the world but if you don't know how to properly use them they are worthless. Search the internet and find a reputable firearms training school in your area and plop down some of your hard earned cash and get trained. oh ya...and welcome to the addiction of guns. The gun bug has as bad of a bite as the Jeep bug :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyc Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I've had a Glock 23 and 26. I loved the 26, but sold it last year when I needed some cash. Last week, I picked up a new G27. Same size as the G26, but in .40 cal. I'll be keeping this one for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blue88Comanche Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 Practice drawing and returning to holster UNLOADED unloaded is a good point, while dad was a police officer one of his co-workers shot their foot one night, because he practiced bringing the gun to shooting position while in bed... and he apparently had shot his tv at some point before... some people just won't learn :no: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 . both the new glocks barrels went to $#!& with in the first 500 rounds(not uncommon when you search it). One of the used was so loose from over firing ( at 500 rounds?? Over firing??) that if you hit the but just right it would fire. And goodness knows that every internet posting about such things are always 100% factual and never the result of trolls who have an ax to grind about a certain brand posting it. I personally find it curious that your original anti-Glock rant was only about the used "hundreds of thousands of rounds" gun exploding yet when pressed the far more damning allegations that TWO new barrels failed on your immediate family in less than 500 rounds was trotted out. A 100% failure rate per your stats of new Glocks. See? It is an internet posting that 100% Glocks' barrels fail withing 500 rounds! It MUST be true! My phone call to a group that has purchased and issued over 9,000 Glocks since 1988 with most having been fired thousands of times with factory loaded ammo has shown exactly ZERO barrel failures. Luckily they did not wind up with 9,000 barrel failure within 500 rounds as your data suggests. While not saying your story is made up I will put out that this at least tells us something about statistics and how the can be used. The fact that you went back and edited your original post TWO DAYS later and and after being called out is, to me at least, strange.... And why wasn't this tid bit " skidoo_j: "I even had a local glocksmith look at it and he said they'd say it was over breech pressure and blame the round not the gun" in the original barrel failure post if you had that info yet "over pressure loads" were never mentioned ( or even thought of?) until I posted about them. In the original barrel post which I qouted on the 8th it was "Also as far as glocks go, the factory barrels suck. My father likes glock (i have know idea why i think because they were cheap when he got them). needless to say hes had a 23c, 17, 19, 27. we've blown up both barrels in the 23c and 27. they're both 40s&W glock would not replace them because they said the breech was not covered if they felt you used hot ammo. ie +p etc... well we had not but of course they said they did, It was GLOCK that would not replace them, not a gunsmith saying that over pressure loads were involved. Hopefully any future readers can look at everything presented here in this thread and draw their own conclusions about the posts therein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 http://www.christiangunowner.com/glockreviews.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Carry. FN 5.7x28 I have also carried the Glock, the 5N7 is an apples and oranges comparison but that is the point. Tool. VEPR 545x39 Wife's house gun. Taurus 38 Garage gun. 12g My house gun. SW 686 And other toys scattered about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Good thread and posts from more knowledgeable and more experienced than I . After digesting all this however, I'll still be sticking with my old school long proven and tested Walther PPK's and P38's. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cody4359 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I'd buy whichever one made me fell less insecure about my small penis. i got that far and quit reading, can't get any funnier than that in 3 pages :rotf: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 now there's trolls involved. Perhaps Incommando and skidoo_j are the trolls here and their ongoing ad nauseaum pissing contest has escalated far from the OP's original question "Getting ready to buy my first Pistol"? Just sayin.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeep Driver Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Carry. FN 5.7x28 I have also carried the Glock, the 5N7 is an apples and oranges comparison but that is the point. . you need to ad anp90 to your list so you're able to share ammo to your carry pistol. How tight of groups can you hold with it? I wanted to pick one up about 6 years ago, but now it seems they've almost tripled in price. It's been a while and I had a pic of the last group but I can't find it..........IIRC about a 3" consistently at about 80'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blue88Comanche Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 While not saying your story is made up I will put out that this at least tells us something about statistics and how the can be used. The fact that you went back and edited your original post TWO DAYS later and and after being called out is, to me at least, strange.... And why wasn't this tid bit " skidoo_j: "I even had a local glocksmith look at it and he said they'd say it was over breech pressure and blame the round not the gun" in the original barrel failure post if you had that info yet "over pressure loads" were never mentioned ( or even thought of?) until I posted about them. In the original barrel post which I qouted on the 8th it was some how i don't remember posting that quote... I was asking about personal experiences with these firearms so that i may know the 1 in 1000000 chance that a glock barrel may fail or that the slide an a M92 Barreta may crack, or the trigger reset spring in a sig breaks.. every pistol has its ups and downs, and personal preference plays into a bias opinion. I think it is safe to conclude that it is not safe to use cheap reloaded ammo.... can we move on now? ____ The FN Five-seneN is a nice gun, but the one i held has huge. the guy at the gun counter said they where pretty accurate at distant range (past normal pistol range). Robert and I are trying to find a range to go to today that has rental guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blue88Comanche Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 I went to a range that had a rental 9mm Sig 226 and poped off 50 rounds. the gun it self was in poor condition, appeared not to have been cleaned or oiled in a while.. however it was very accurate and had little recoil and so far i like it better than the 9mm glocks i have fired. here are my targets at 20-30 feet. all bullets hit the 9 or better. 1, nothing special just 3 to the head and several body shots 2, less accurate but emptied the clip quickly 3, just normal shooting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sinkrun Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Thought you may like this site http://areasonablelife.wordpress.com/se ... f-defense/ I really like vintage colts both semi and revolvers next is Smith Wesson revolvers never cared for any of the plastic guns even though I carry one every day due to weight. I just bought a S-W stainless air weight and love it once I find the right holster I will be carrying it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 One suggestion- Take at least an 8 hour course with a minimum 200 rounds on range. Make sure you have an instructor that will actually teach you something you don't already know. Ask around.......then ask around some more...........find a good instructor. Remember those silhouettes are not charging you with a knife and you are not fighting for your life. On the FN, it's not for everyone and yeah the ballistic nuts have their complaints......however......it'll put a hurt'n on ya. And the felt recoil is equal to a 22, super accurate, and the 20 rnd mags are nice nice nice. Spare mag and you carry 40 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaquaro Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 :huh???: Guns are tools , I used to carry them and use them as required in my work looking after the the herd against preditors and such , otherwise they have no place in my world . Nuff said :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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