STERLING STINGER Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 my girl is telling me theres no diffrence between diesel fuel and off road diesel fuel, besides the dye and the taxes. i was doing a little research and found that there is a higher sulfer content. my argument was that when i run regular diesel in my heater at work it stinks a little. off road diesel smells real bad when i run it. noone believes me and its aggravating me. I'm just trying to say the off road is not as clean as the regular diesel. any input on this???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cody4359 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 ive always heard the only difference was dye and price, no info to back it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimoshel Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 There is a difference in sulfer content. Off road is dirtier. Unless there's a warning label saying not to, try using kerosene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 it gives you pretty much the same end result if you put it in a vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glundblad Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Yes the off road has higher sulfur so it burns dirtier. Road diesel is dyed as proof that the road taxes have been paid. Road diesels changed from 2007 and later. I believe it is harmful to some degree to burn the dirty, higher sulfur diesel in the 2007 and later CRD diesel vehicles. But it doesnt matter for road engines prior to 2007 other than the fact that it is very illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpdriver1 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 if the kerosene still gives off too much odor in the heater -- try lamp oil -- works better indoors in the so called kerosene heaters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beepbeepmyredjeep Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 :smart: The "true" answer: Kerosene is normally not recommended for vehicles, as it is considered a "dirty" fuel. It has sulfur content much higher than off-road diesel. Off-road (Low sulfur diesel) has 500 ppm (parts per million) sulfur. It is undyed and untaxed, and not authorized for use on public roads. This diesel can be used for all diesel vehicles produced prior to 2007 (if memory serves me correctly). Prior to 2007, low sulfur diesel was dyed and taxed for highway use. NOTE: There are severe fines should one be discovered using undyed off-road diesel on public roads. Police can and will check for this. Highway/Road (Ultra Low sulfur diesel) has 15 ppm sulfur. It is dyed and taxed for use on roads. It's important to note that the use of this fuel in pre-2007 vehicles MAY result in increased maintenance costs on the engine, as it is known that using this fuel on pre-2007 vehicles MAY cause seals to shrink or fuel pump failures. However, the EPA "recommends" this fuel for all diesel engines. By the way, this damage to your engine is brought to you by the same folks who caused the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster :mad: The "real" answer: Your girl is correct. Do not argue with her. I've been married for 7 years. Trust me on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sam Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 In many places these days Off road diesel comes from the same source as on road diesel, in fact sometimes the driver who will deliver the off road diesel will add the dye to it prior to transfer to indicate the road tax has not been paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimoshel Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 :smart: The "true" answer: Kerosene is normally not recommended for vehicles, as it is considered a "dirty" fuel. It has sulfur content much higher than off-road diesel. I hope you didn't think I was suggesting he burn kerosene in his truck. I meant he might try it in his heater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beepbeepmyredjeep Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 :smart: The "true" answer: Kerosene is normally not recommended for vehicles, as it is considered a "dirty" fuel. It has sulfur content much higher than off-road diesel. I hope you didn't think I was suggesting he burn kerosene in his truck. I meant he might try it in his heater. Not at all. However, I have known people who have done such things... :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjrev10 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I'm researching this...i believe its exactly the the same stuff nowadays (years past it would have been different).. I have my feelers out in the diesel world.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STERLING STINGER Posted April 11, 2011 Author Share Posted April 11, 2011 I'm not burning it in a truck. i was using burning it in my space heater at work for an example for her...the smell told me it was diffrent. and no beepbeep, she isnt right....lolol..i am ALWAYS right....even if I'm wrong :fs2: i once put like 5 gallons of kero in my 92 eagle talon by accident :doh: ....tried to start it, it didnt...noticed it was kero....filled it to the top with regular unleaded... SHE RAN LIKE NEVER BEFORE....RAPED APE... must of cleaned it out...huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sam Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I'm researching this...i believe its exactly the the same stuff nowadays (years past it would have been different).. I have my feelers out in the diesel world.. The consensus in the diesel world that I post on is that #2 dyed is the same as #2 street. This was also the case when we were doing our ISO8178 testing, we went directly to the supplier and asked if the dyed was any different chemically than the regular #2. Needed to know that for our validation tests, otherwise $20k of research would have been blown out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjrev10 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Here is some reading from the diesel truck guys: http://www.midwestdieselconnection.com/ ... php?t=5033 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComancheKid45 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 By the way, this damage to your engine is brought to you by the same folks who caused the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster :mad: And likely the same brainiacs that think this whole Ethanol blended junk is a good idea 2.... :rant: :fool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitroxsteve Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 :smart: The "true" answer: Kerosene is normally not recommended for vehicles, as it is considered a "dirty" fuel. It has sulfur content much higher than off-road diesel. Off-road (Low sulfur diesel) has 500 ppm (parts per million) sulfur. It is undyed and untaxed, and not authorized for use on public roads. This diesel can be used for all diesel vehicles produced prior to 2007 (if memory serves me correctly). Prior to 2007, low sulfur diesel was dyed and taxed for highway use. NOTE: There are severe fines should one be discovered using undyed off-road diesel on public roads. Police can and will check for this. Highway/Road (Ultra Low sulfur diesel) has 15 ppm sulfur. It is dyed and taxed for use on roads. It's important to note that the use of this fuel in pre-2007 vehicles MAY result in increased maintenance costs on the engine, as it is known that using this fuel on pre-2007 vehicles MAY cause seals to shrink or fuel pump failures. However, the EPA "recommends" this fuel for all diesel engines. By the way, this damage to your engine is brought to you by the same folks who caused the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster :mad: The "real" answer: Your girl is correct. Do not argue with her. I've been married for 7 years. Trust me on this. I thought the off road fuel was Dyed red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backdraft Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I don't know about your area. But here the off road fuel (high sulfer diesel) is dyed red. I am a chief operator at an oil refinery and am in charge of running the "Diesel Hydrotreater Unit". This is the process unit in a refinery that removes the sulfer from diesel fuel by injecting hydrogen gas into the diesel and passing it across a catylist bed. Federal law requires all on road diesel to be 15ppm sulfer or less as of 2007. We normally treat the diesel to a spec of 10ppm to give us some wiggle room, just in case the unit has an upset. We have an "off spec" tan we run our fuel into when we do have a problem. Usually the fuel in this tank is tasked for two things. Either it is dyed and sold as off road fuel, or it is pumped back to our feed tan and rerun to drop the sulfer under 15ppl. Also the feed for our unit normally consists of raw diesel, kerosene, and light cycle oil. Because its Texas, we don't make heating oil at our particular refinery. Our normal production rate is @20,000BPD in this unit. We usually have around 12,000BPD of raw diesel, 4,000BPD of kerosene, and 4,000 BPD of light cycle oil. The light cycle oil is more or less a useless feed stock and is added to the diesel. It is what gives the fuel a green color and helps a little with lubricity. Just my 2 cents on the subject. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sam Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I don't know about your area. But here the off road fuel (high sulfer diesel) is dyed red. I am a chief operator at an oil refinery and am in charge of running the "Diesel Hydrotreater Unit". This is the process unit in a refinery that removes the sulfer from diesel fuel by injecting hydrogen gas into the diesel and passing it across a catylist bed. Federal law requires all on road diesel to be 15ppm sulfer or less as of 2007. We normally treat the diesel to a spec of 10ppm to give us some wiggle room, just in case the unit has an upset. We have an "off spec" tan we run our fuel into when we do have a problem. Usually the fuel in this tank is tasked for two things. Either it is dyed and sold as off road fuel, or it is pumped back to our feed tan and rerun to drop the sulfer under 15ppl. Also the feed for our unit normally consists of raw diesel, kerosene, and light cycle oil. Because its Texas, we don't make heating oil at our particular refinery. Our normal production rate is @20,000BPD in this unit. We usually have around 12,000BPD of raw diesel, 4,000BPD of kerosene, and 4,000 BPD of light cycle oil. The light cycle oil is more or less a useless feed stock and is added to the diesel. It is what gives the fuel a green color and helps a little with lubricity. Just my 2 cents on the subject. Mike That was quiet informative, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sam Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Also, can you tell us what kind of sulfer content your off road fuel has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjrev10 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 To throw another log on the fire, I do believe each state has it own rules and regulations. I know the diesel locally that I buy is 5-10% bio fuel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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