f1tbiker6 Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 god almighty! i need something simple so ive been looking at these three kits. rustys 4.5" SOA kit: http://rustysoffroad.com/mm5/merchant.m ... sus_xj_kit -which i almost fully understand! but looks to be unlevel -cheaper then rustys spring pack kit rustys 4.5" Spring Pack: kit http://rustysoffroad.com/mm5/merchant.m ... sus_xj_kit -says something about rear MJ springs? so what now about leafs??? -slightly more expensive. Rocky road 5" SOA kit - i understand, but doesnt come with control arms/drop kit, or transfer case drop kit. looks to be unlevel as well -same price as first lift kit. but without two of the necessary items. right now i definately like that the rustys kits come with everything needed! i just don't know which would be better. i want the truck to look level. like this: not this: it does not say which 4.5 lift the first comanche has, but i know its a 4.5". it does say the second one is SOA 4.5" so I'm leaning away from SOA now. all i need is for some one to explain what they are doing in the rear of the rustys 4.5" Spring pack kit! thanks for putting up wth all my confusion. I'm mainly anxious to have it lifted finally. and want to do it by one of these kits because i wouldnt know how to by buying individual parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabz Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 stay as far away from rustys as possible . there kit sucks I have had bushing issues with everything that comes with thier kit as well as broken track bar sagging coils soft crappy shocks and the rear springs won't cary anykind of load without major sag. thats just my veiw , I am sure you'll get more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1tbiker6 Posted July 7, 2008 Author Share Posted July 7, 2008 OR you guys can suggest a lift kit 4.5"-5" no more expensive then 700$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWade2 Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 While I've never owned any Rusty's part or any kind, nor probably ever will based on quite a few first hand experiences of fellow wheelers, I'd rather have NO lift than a crappy one that I'm gonna hate and have to replace parts on forever, or trash the whole thing in a year or two... With that being said, I have seen talk (not all of it good), about the Rough Country 4.5" lift that fits in your "under $700" requirement... http://www.roughcountry.com/Jeep_MJ_4in.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1tbiker6 Posted July 7, 2008 Author Share Posted July 7, 2008 While I've never owned any Rusty's part or any kind, nor probably ever will based on quite a few first hand experiences of fellow wheelers, I'd rather have NO lift than a crappy one that I'm gonna hate and have to replace parts on forever, or trash the whole thing in a year or two... With that being said, I have seen talk (not all of it good), about the Rough Country 4.5" lift that fits in your "under $700" requirement... http://www.roughcountry.com/Jeep_MJ_4in.htm i get your point. although this rough country lift is cheaper, you still prefer it over the two rustys ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWade2 Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 While I've never owned any Rusty's part or any kind, nor probably ever will based on quite a few first hand experiences of fellow wheelers, I'd rather have NO lift than a crappy one that I'm gonna hate and have to replace parts on forever, or trash the whole thing in a year or two... With that being said, I have seen talk (not all of it good), about the Rough Country 4.5" lift that fits in your "under $700" requirement... http://www.roughcountry.com/Jeep_MJ_4in.htm i get your point. although this rough country lift is cheaper, you still prefer it over the two rustys ones? Like I said, I've never owned Rusty's, nor will I ever... I guess I don't know enough about Rough Country's stuff to say good or bad things about them...I know from what I've read the drops brackets aren't always the most popular way to accomplish the lifts in either case. I'm eventually only going to 3-3.5", but I'm going to save for a while and get either the Motion Offroad Kit, or piece together a Rubicon Express Superflex Kit with Hell Creek (or Motion Offroad) rear Leaf Pack...either one of these will be in the $900-$1000 ish range, but I plan on only doing the lift once, and I want to make sure I get something that I can trust and know has a good track record. I have a Rubicon Express Long Arm kit on my TJ and am VERY happy with the quality and it's hard to find many people with bad things to say about their parts. The same can't be said for Rusty's, and I'm not sure about Rough Country. You put a gun to my head and tell me to pick one, I'd probably get the $699 with the replacement Leaf Pack as I'm not excited about a SOA (especially for a smaller front lift), or the Add-A-Leaf, since you are still using your 20 year old leafs). Personally I'd save and get a better kit in 6 months or a year when I could afford something more complete, but that's not the answer you appear to be going after. I just got done with 2" Spacers and am going to replace the rear shackles on mine (total cost about $40 since I had the front coil spacers) so I can run 31's until I can afford a "real" 3" Kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1tbiker6 Posted July 7, 2008 Author Share Posted July 7, 2008 so where it says 2 rear mj spring packs, that is leafs? or no? I'm still deciding on whether or not i should wait until i can afford one of the ones from motion offroad. i have lots of other things to do; either patch or replace the gas tank, lots of new hoses under the hood, exhaust system, patch rust spots, and more. i am just splitting my money into two categories: need to fix pronto, and lift/tires/rims/fenderflares/locker/bumper. i already saved up enough to fix all my needed to fix problems, and am trying to figure out where i should start on the lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfpdm Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 Stay away from Rocky Road Outfitters. They have some decent parts but it will take for ever to get them and then it will be missing something. Also their customer service and business practices just blow. I can point you to hundreds of links saying the same thing. If your not in a hurry, keep your eyes on craigslist for a gently used lift. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1tbiker6 Posted July 7, 2008 Author Share Posted July 7, 2008 thanks man! it was strange when i emailed them and never got an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1tbiker6 Posted July 7, 2008 Author Share Posted July 7, 2008 so with a spring over axel kit, I'm worried about the back being to high, and with the 4.5" spring pack kit, I'm worried about it sagging in the rear. if the back were to be to high could i just get some front coild spacers like this: http://rustysoffroad.com/mm5/merchant.m ... Code=COILS and if the back were to sag on the other kit could i regain the hieght by adding some shims? http://rustysoffroad.com/mm5/merchant.m ... _Code=LEAF or extended shackles? http://rustysoffroad.com/mm5/merchant.m ... _Code=LEAF and i still need to know, in the 4.5" spring pack kit, that comes with 4.5" leafs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEAD_NOT_FOLLOW Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 Shims won't do anything to lift, they simply correct your pinion angle. Do a search on Rusty's products on here before you drop the $$ on them. I've personally seen many of their products fail, including myself having 2 LCA's break at the welds. Here are some links with pics of failed Rusty's parts. http://comancheclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10337 http://comancheclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7345 http://comancheclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10335 http://comancheclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8813 http://greatlakesxj.activeboard.com/ind ... D=17199270 Here is some good reading on Rusty's vs. Motion. http://comancheclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10283 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1tbiker6 Posted July 7, 2008 Author Share Posted July 7, 2008 wow. thanks for those links, apparantly no one likes rustys.. just answer me this question. for the rustys spring pack kit where it says 2 rear 4.5 spring packs. is that, or is it not new leafs? I'm almost definately going to save for a Motion lift now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEAD_NOT_FOLLOW Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 Yes spring packs = leaf spring packs = new rear leaf spring = the suspension components for the rear. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWade2 Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 I would surly think that "Spring Pack" = "Leaf Pack" = New Leafs, yes! Which would be about 1/2 of that total price of the kit based on what they run from other vendors (of probably higher quality). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1tbiker6 Posted July 7, 2008 Author Share Posted July 7, 2008 Which would be about 1/2 of that total price of the kit based on what they run from other vendors (of probably higher quality). this i just can't comprehend? explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWade2 Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 Which would be about 1/2 of that total price of the kit based on what they run from other vendors (of probably higher quality). this i just can't comprehend? explain. The 4.5" Rear Leaf Spring Packs themselves (at least from other vendors) with NO other Lift Parts of any kind are $300-$375... So Rustys was charging $700 for the whole kit with the "Spring Pack", meaning the cost of the Leaf Pack constituted (at least in theory) nearly 50% of the total price of the lift they were asking. http://motionoffroad.com/catalog/index. ... cts_id=108 http://www.hellcreeksuspensions.com/jeep.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEAD_NOT_FOLLOW Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 FYI, Motion's rear leafs are made by Alcan. Alcan is probably the best leaf manufacture known in the offroading community. Call up Alcan and ask them a price on their 4.5" MJ leafs and they'll quote you $500+. I had a set of 6.5" leafs made by Alcan and I paid over $600 for them (now on BlueXJ's rig). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1tbiker6 Posted July 7, 2008 Author Share Posted July 7, 2008 Which would be about 1/2 of that total price of the kit based on what they run from other vendors (of probably higher quality). this i just can't comprehend? explain. The 4.5" Rear Leaf Spring Packs themselves (at least from other vendors) with NO other Lift Parts of any kind are $300-$375... So Rustys was charging $700 for the whole kit with the "Spring Pack", meaning the cost of the Leaf Pack constituted (at least in theory) nearly 50% of the total price of the lift they were asking. http://motionoffroad.com/catalog/index. ... cts_id=108 http://www.hellcreeksuspensions.com/jeep.htm so its good or bad that the leafs are worth 50% of the kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWade2 Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 Which would be about 1/2 of that total price of the kit based on what they run from other vendors (of probably higher quality). this i just can't comprehend? explain. The 4.5" Rear Leaf Spring Packs themselves (at least from other vendors) with NO other Lift Parts of any kind are $300-$375... So Rustys was charging $700 for the whole kit with the "Spring Pack", meaning the cost of the Leaf Pack constituted (at least in theory) nearly 50% of the total price of the lift they were asking. http://motionoffroad.com/catalog/index. ... cts_id=108 http://www.hellcreeksuspensions.com/jeep.htm so its good or bad that the leafs are worth 50% of the kit? Just stating a fact... I think all of the kits will be similar... Save your $$$ get a Good Quality Lift from Motion... I'm leaning towards the Rubicon Express kit, but it is more of buying the individual components and probably end up being a little more than the Motion Kit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1tbiker6 Posted July 8, 2008 Author Share Posted July 8, 2008 do either of the rustys lifts work with 2wd? i actually read a few good reviews, but only a few. and what about the rough country lift, will that work with 2wd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 do either of the rustys lifts work with 2wd? i actually read a few good reviews, but only a few. and what about the rough country lift, will that work with 2wd? Yes and no. It all depends on the individual parts in the lift. The front control ams are identical 2wd to 4wd, but the 2wd coils and leafs sit about an inch lower than 4wd. Kits that reuse your old springs may or may not turn out slightly different (like if you went SOA with 2wd leafs, you wouldn't get quite as much lift as 4wd leafs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exjay33 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Dear Motion off road I ordered a set of you rear springs that you do not build I am wondering when you have a part fail are we going to be able to bash your business as you seed to always jump on the Rustys so called problems ? How many off your parts are not made by you and why , I was looking at some of the pics you guys post that is not a rustys tie rod he does not make tie rods ! I am not employed by rusty or do I have a dog in this fight but I noticed Motion does not make a lot of your own parts why is this ? The jeep tj upside wrong that you posted links to, was the wheel and tire missing before it rolled or did this happen during ? You should be very careful saying the things that some of you say , alot of you are dealing with lifted- modified -changed in some manner vehicles , all parts fail no matter who or what you build ! I have bought allmajor and minor brand parts and lifts and can show you problems with them all . Also I hope my rear 3 springs hold up or someone is going to hear about it over and over and over!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicofuentes0224 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Here we go again, (Rocky's theme song is playing in the background) Hey Ex, I don't even think Motion posted anything on this thread. :nuts: Did ya mean to post this somewhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWade2 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Here we go again, (Rocky's theme song is playing in the background)Hey Ex, I don't even think Motion posted anything on this thread. :nuts: Did ya mean to post this somewhere else? Or a PM maybe? ZERO Motion Offroad posts in this thread...if "ex-customers" of Rusty's want to bash em, I think they have earned the right...I said plainly that I've never purchased from them, but would not based on experiences I've personally seen and read about... SW2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exjay33 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Just stating facts I could care less whose products you use why bash other peoples stuff? I have used superlift , rancho , rough country , Rubicon express , teraflex , Rustys , etc etc etc . I could show you sh$$ty work and different issues with them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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