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Great posts Minuit. On this particular point, for those who use their Jeep (or?) year round in snow/salt conditions your choice of floor mats is important. Last fall I replaced the driver's side floor pan and torque box in my LJ. Floor pans are relatively easy but torque boxes are a much more involved. The passenger's side and both rear floors were in great shape. The previous owner of my LJ used simple flat rubber floor mats. I replaced them with Husky liners but it was way too late. For several years before I got it the driver's side footwell carpet never dried out in the winter and that's what caused the rust. Other than that, I have my vehicles sprayed with Krown T-40 annually and I spray them myself with Krown and a Shutz gun as a I work on them. It's not a messy job and it's well worth it. It makes working on them much easier too … everything is lubricated. Your floor pan drawing and pics are very helpful. I've done several floor and sill replacements (XJ's and MGB's mainly) and I have always applied POR-15 to the inside of the uni-body frame before I close them up and used seam sealer after that.

MLT Lulu - I've been doing a bathroom too. Fun eh?

Nice. I just posted this pic of one of my old MGB's on another forum thread about bridges.

Speaking of garden gates and fences (^^^) I've been building a roof rack for my XJ over the past few days while self isolating in my garage. It started out as a chain link fence gate. I made a similar rack for my tear drop trailer and it was a lot easier to work with preformed 90* bends than to attempt them myself. I cut it up, spliced in some extra tube (1.25" OD) to get the shape I wanted and then welded on some e-track to stiffen it up add plenty of latch points. I'm working on the kayak attachment for it and the front rack which will only be added when I transport the kayaks. I have more welding, metal finishing and painting to do but it's coming along.

Well said. Our Federal government knew that the initial problems were travel related yet it refused to properly asses people coming in. Suggesting that it should were met with accusations of racism. Telling people to self isolate only goes so far when the government is powerless to enforce it. Now that new virus cases are mostly community transmitted people are complaining that the borders weren't secured earlier. It's encouraging to see private industry starting to produce products that they never would have before (ventilators, hand sanitizer, masks, etc.). There was a report of a Doctor from Eastern Ontario that figured out a way for 1 ventilator to serve 2 people with box store parts.

I think this guy put down his welder … and then ran over it.

The "Shawinigan Handshake". Here's our then Prime Minister administering the original one. The many following ones were pretty funny. Good find! That's a keeper. I hope you have a good spot on your bar for it.

I had mine done with LINE X and am very happy with it. Depending on what colour you're having your MJ painted you might want to consider getting the additional UV protection coat. My MJ is black and I wanted the bedliner to stay black. If it was any other colour I probably wouldn't have cared if the bed faded a bit over time. Mine had an OEM hard bed liner too. Apart from some scuffed paint, when I took it out the bed was in perfect condition. There was a number of screw holes for the original liner that I thought needed to be welded shut. I filled in all of the ones in the tailgate, ground them down, primed them, etc. When I went to set the date at LINE X the guy said "don't bother". They cut about 1"x1" squares of tin tape, placed them over the holes and then sprayed. With the thickness and texture of the covering you can not tell where the holes were.

I got mine with the vehicle too and I think you're right (aftermarket). Rub rails is a good way to go for many reasons and probably a lot easier on your clothes - lol. I've caught my shirt or jacket on those cleats many times but fortunately haven't ripped anything up … yet.

thecodemonk - That's a hell of a load and it looks like you have some work ahead of you. Good luck. I noticed the cleats on the side of your bed. I have what looks like the same ones on mine. Do you know what they are from? I've "assumed" they are off of boat as I know 2 of the previous owners of mine were big into boating. They might also just be aftermarket items for any pickup truck. I took mine off when I had the bed Line-xd and couldn't wait to put them back on. I'm sure they're not original but I like the look and they're handy. Here's mine with a much lighter load ...

I don't know what the numbers are but I'm sure I've more seen that don't have sport bars than do. Mine came without and I was fortunate to pick up a second MJ (since sold) that had one. I was able to transfer the sport bar and all of the original mounting brackets and hardware. It even came with a new unused factory tonneau cover.

I'm not sure if I can play or not as mine are in metric. If so ... 1988 MJ - 115,376 mi. ... (185,680 km) 1989 XJ - 88,426 mi. ... (142,308 km) Both engines run great and haven't needed any major work on them. I also have an '03 TJ & an '04 LJ with similar mileages and the load gets spread around. They're my only vehicles, I'm all Jeep. I'm retired and don't drive nearly as much as I used to. I only put about 6,000 km on my MJ last year and about 12,000 km on the XJ. It and the LJ are the tow pigs for my tear drop and off road trailer.

There can't be many people (any?) that can say that! … the birthday stuff not the non exciting stuff … that sounds like my life. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Apart from the licencing fee we're not that different. Our annual licence fee is $120 CDN (about $90 US). Your $1,000 car would be about $1,300 CDN. It would cost me $20 to transfer, $130 in taxes, and if it's 20+ years old $50 to $100 for an appraisal so lets say a maximum of $250 CDN (about $185 US). Same as you, we require the vendor to sign the ownership (title) and provide a bill of sale. If I was putting it on the road I would need a safety certificate from a licenced mechanic and proof of insurance. If not I would register it as an unfit vehicle. Regarding non-commercial trailers, we pay a one shot fee of $25. We get a licence plate and an ownership / title.

I noticed that on your earlier post and nearly fell over! $14,000 to you would about $18,500 to me. I paid just under that for an LJ, XJ and MJ … total. Although getting a transfer appraisal can be a pain in the butt I'm glad we have that option. The most I've paid is $100 and to be honest, they "work with you" to come up with the appraised value.

How so? If you're referring to my post in particular, I checked my files and I was off on the appraised values. They were $2,000 for the MJ & $2,200 for the XJ. I was thinking of the total cost not individually. A "parts" MJ that I bought and then sold was appraised at $1,000 for the transfer. Tax at 10% is what it is. In the past I've questioned why there's a tax at all. It's to the Province's benefit that vehicles be sold over and over and over … and so on. It's a windfall to them. That argument goes no where.

In Ontario, you have to get an appraisal for any vehicle that is 20 years or older in order for you to transfer the title into your name. That includes ones that are gifted to you. It's a pain if you pick up a vehicle that is immobile, although I have had appraisers come to my house for a slightly higher fee. If you buy a parts car that you think you might restore one day it's best to get it appraised and transfer it into your name. There are basically 2 types of appraisals, one for vehicle ownership transfer and a more detailed one for insurance purposes. For tax purposes on transfers, the Ministry of Transportation uses the higher of the appraisal or the bill of sale, which is usually bogus anyway. My MJ & XJ, which were both complete and good running/looking vehicles, were appraised for about $4,000 CDN (roughly $3,000 USD) so the tax hit at about 10% wasn't all that bad. What really bugs me is that I have a 2003 TJ and a 2004 LJ. To me they're not that old but they would have be appraised at the buyer's expense if I decide to sell them in a few years.

I use these old tried and true cheap, sorry inexpensive, metal socket rails in my tool box. I use single rails for my junkyard box. I keep a full set of sockets, ratchets, etc. in a blow mold box in my Jeep that I can go back for if needed but on the single rails in my junkyard box I can mix and match the 1/4" to 1/2" sockets, drivers, etc. that are commonly needed on Jeeps.

I agree with Minuit. For over 7 years now the only vehicles I've owned are Jeeps. I currently have 4. My biggest kick is that everything I need or want to do is done in a Jeep. None are modified in any big way and all are used on a daily basis unless they're off the road for work I need to do on them. As my Dad told me when I was young … "When you park your car and walk away, if you don't turn around to look at it you might have bought (or built) the wrong car". So what ever you do or don't do to your Jeep, so long as you're happy that's all that matters.

Thanks. They're a lot of fun. btw - I've only made a few mods to the kayaks.

The beer fridge in my garage was down for a while but I managed to get it going again with some Jeep parts. Heineken mini keg, Moosehead and now more often Sleeman Original Draught.

"Period correct" could be accessories bought from a J.C. Whitney catalogue back when the vehicles were new or close to it. I can remember guys in an MG club I belonged to 30 or so years ago that seemed to specialize in that kind of thing. They'd track down all kinds of weird things mostly for a laugh. Very little of it made it on to their cars, thank goodness. None of it was stock but some of it was fun to look at and it was representative of the period. Has anyone ever put curb feelers on their MJ?

Possibly from Newmarket … mine not yours.

I have the same covers too, at least I think I do. They covered a pair of sport bar lights and are smaller than the bumper driving lights. The covers are in fair shape and I'm hoping to either restore or find the trim rings for the lights. They have rusted through in spots and welding will be tricky. The lights are not Marchal but they work and the covers fit.

Thanks. I have kayaks but I don't know very much about "real" boats. My MJ comes in handy for what I have! I should also point out that my 10 hole wheels have been powder coated, so not original. I got them that way. I have a second set that aren't great but might be able to be polished. Also, the non stock rear mud flaps are now gone. I later installed a sport bar and the kayaks still fit.