Whitaker717 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Hi guys, so I can’t seem to get this brake thing under control. The original system is bi passed with all new lines going to both back axles and front axles. The portioning valve I’m guessing is a TJ one I think. Heck idk. Lol. Got in the truck and pedal went to the floor. Popped the hood and fluid is coming from around one of the fittings I think. My question is does anyone have a good recommendation for an aftermarket portioning valve. I’m really at my wits end with these damn brakes. Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiNi Beast Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Honestly you can't go wrong with replaceing the stock components and you'd surly have brakes worth something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitaker717 Posted September 30, 2021 Author Share Posted September 30, 2021 My stock components are all gone. Someone before me eliminated the rear thing. So now I have all new lines run individually to each caliper and drum. Just need to find a reliable portion valve. The one I have is brand new and now leaking. Idk man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I run the adjustable wilwood valve. Works great. Here is some general brake upgrade info: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitaker717 Posted October 1, 2021 Author Share Posted October 1, 2021 I think my last portion valve just failed. Being it was brand new, I’m not sure why that would be. I’m just looking for a good valve that will work with what I have. I don’t typically haul anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Disk front drum back? The stock MJ system has unconventional to say the least. So we need to know what you currently have in the truck. Especially the distribution block below the master cylinder. Can you take some pictures of your brake components? Master/booster, existing prop valve, existing distribution block, and rear axle line where the old load sensing valve use to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitaker717 Posted October 1, 2021 Author Share Posted October 1, 2021 Absolutely. I will tomorrow before it gets towed. Lol. I believe it’s just a TJ portioning valve. It is definitely frustrating. It makes me want to give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Whitaker717 said: Absolutely. I will tomorrow before it gets towed. Lol. I believe it’s just a TJ portioning valve. It is definitely frustrating. It makes me want to give up. So the original MJ system didn’t have an actual prop valve up front. It had a distribution block full allowed full pressure to all lines. The rear line then went to the load sensing valve at the rear axle. This valve offers proportioning of brake pressure so the back doesn’t lock up before the front. It’s pretty common to delete the rear valve. If you have a TJ proportioning valve it should work fine. If it’s leaking, it may just need the line re-flared. The prop valve itself rarely fails. Keep in mind though that you never want to let the master cylinder run empty when you work on the brake lines or you’ll introduce air into the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser54 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Best thing you can do is eliminate any factory prop valve, hook the front lines together, install an adjustable prop valve to the rear. Summit Racing has em. I can guide you through this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitaker717 Posted October 1, 2021 Author Share Posted October 1, 2021 Thanks guys, I will take a few pictures and show you what I have. It will be towed to the shop today. The MC still has fluid in it. About half full but it is leaking at the valve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitaker717 Posted October 1, 2021 Author Share Posted October 1, 2021 Here are a few pictures of what I have. They are not the best but hopefully you can tell what I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howeitsdone Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 This three pictures of the rear are where they're supposed to be. Where they both connect should then go up to the rear proportioning valve unless deleted. That's the photo that's needed. I agree with just getting a stock or Wilwood valve for the front if that's your issue, but I don't see fluid in the photos. Where is it coming from exactly? Brake fluid doesn't really evaporate so it'll stick around where it's leaking from. Maybe get someone to hit the brakes so you can get a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser54 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Put the Wilwood in the circuit to the rear. Let the fronts get full pressure from the master cylinder. This can be done with a 3 way fitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitaker717 Posted October 2, 2021 Author Share Posted October 2, 2021 It is leaking out of the fittings it would seem. One on the bottom for sure. Does this correct though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiNi Beast Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Try putting a flare wrench on it and tightening it abit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 48 minutes ago, MiNi Beast said: Try putting a flare wrench on it and tightening it abit. Agreed, this should be a simple fix. Leave that prop valve alone and try tightening the fittings first. If that doesn’t work you may need to replace the fittings and re flare the line. You have the newer style copper nickel line which is fairly easy to flare properly. Once the leak is fixed you will likely have to bleed the whole system. just make sure the master cylinder never goes dry. If it does you will need to bleed the master first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitaker717 Posted October 2, 2021 Author Share Posted October 2, 2021 Thanks guy quick follow up question, once I got the truck back when the brakes got completed I pushed down the emergency brake. That’s why my das light was on. Well being novice I couldn’t figure out why it stayed on. I drove it around for a couple weeks with the light on because it didn’t feel any different. I finally took off the the rear tire and discovered the brake was stuck and had been wearing. Still looks like I have life in the shoes. I released it and put everything back together and somewhat re adjusted the drums. My question is could that have caused the fittings to leak? Would it have created a lot of back pressure by dragging the rear drums. Just curious to see if this was my screw up, which it kinda was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad R Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Leaving the e-brake on will not cause that line to leak. The only thing that will make that line leak is a bad flare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitaker717 Posted October 2, 2021 Author Share Posted October 2, 2021 I appreciate it, I was just curious. Is this an issue of guys just not knowing what they are doing or is this somewhat common? It also seemend strange to me that my pedal was a bit spongy after completion of new brakes but I am used to my 14 Silverado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad R Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 I have a hydraulic brake flaring tool I use at work and once in a while I get bad flares. If you are using a hand flaring tool the chances are greater of bad flares. How much petal travel do you have? A inch or two or half a petal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitaker717 Posted October 2, 2021 Author Share Posted October 2, 2021 Seems like it goes down a good 2” but I’m not quite sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad R Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Assuming all air is out when I adjust rear brakes I like the rear wheel to turn 1/2 to 3/4 of a turn before it stops when you spin it. About 2 in petal travel is not horrible as long as it’s not halfway then you should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 On 9/30/2021 at 6:57 PM, Whitaker717 said: My stock components are all gone. Someone before me eliminated the rear thing. So now I have all new lines run individually to each caliper and drum. Just need to find a reliable portion valve. The one I have is brand new and now leaking. Idk man. Wait -- individual lines to each REAR wheel? That's definitely NOT right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitaker717 Posted October 2, 2021 Author Share Posted October 2, 2021 Yes that is correct. It seems a line goes to the silver box in the one picture then splits off to the drivers side and passenger side rear. You can kind of see it in the one picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitaker717 Posted October 2, 2021 Author Share Posted October 2, 2021 Well I think that’s how it is. It’s in the shop so I can’t look. There are 4 lines coming out of that portioning valve. I assumed one went to each wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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