1988manche Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 Just wondering if anyone has done the 97+ swap but left the front end alone. I would assume you would need to relocate the washer bottle and rewire the lights but other than that is there anything else in the way?
Pete M Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 I assume XJ. you most certainly can upgrade the entire guts without touching the classic exterior look.
1988manche Posted June 20, 2019 Author Posted June 20, 2019 Yes xj swap, so what would you have to do to keep the front end original?
75sv1 Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 I started in on this. From my recollections, the four nuts that hold on the front header are in different locations. I think I was/am going to bend up some clips for the top two. Then relocate the holes for the bottom two. I didn't get to wiring. The headlights should be the same. The side markers I haven't looked at. Also, there will be missing material on the upper corners. The '97+ being round, the earlier being a chamfer. I planned to fiberglass then up and shape to fit.
1988manche Posted June 20, 2019 Author Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, 75sv1 said: I started in on this. From my recollections, the four nuts that hold on the front header are in different locations. I think I was/am going to bend up some clips for the top two. Then relocate the holes for the bottom two. I didn't get to wiring. The headlights should be the same. The side markers I haven't looked at. Also, there will be missing material on the upper corners. The '97+ being round, the earlier being a chamfer. I planned to fiberglass then up and shape to fit. So if you use the older fenders you won't have this problem right? Also then the 97+washer bottle won't fit behind the fender from what i have been reading
75sv1 Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Yes, Older fender with the older front header panel are correct. The newer washer bottle would probably 'fit', ie space wise. But the cutout in the inner fender panel is not there for the older models. I have not really looked much at that. Not sure what I'll do when I get there.
Eagle Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 3 hours ago, 1988manche said: Yes xj swap, so what would you have to do to keep the front end original? XJ What! Doors? Windows? Interior? Engine? Dashboard? Axles? Everything? I don't understand the question. All you need to do to keep the front end original is not replace anything on the front end. So, what do you mean by "front end"? To some folks that means the nose clip -- body work. In this neck of the woods, "front end" generally refers to the front axle and differential.
Smokeyyank Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Eagle said: XJ What! Doors? Windows? Interior? Engine? Dashboard? Axles? Everything? I don't understand the question. All you need to do to keep the front end original is not replace anything on the front end. So, what do you mean by "front end"? To some folks that means the nose clip -- body work. In this neck of the woods, "front end" generally refers to the front axle and differential. Pretty sure he asking about swapping the engine and tranny and leaving the body alone.
1988manche Posted June 20, 2019 Author Posted June 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Eagle said: XJ What! Doors? Windows? Interior? Engine? Dashboard? Axles? Everything? I don't understand the question. All you need to do to keep the front end original is not replace anything on the front end. So, what do you mean by "front end"? To some folks that means the nose clip -- body work. In this neck of the woods, "front end" generally refers to the front axle and differential. I have the entire interior swapped over from a 97 plus the engine and trans, i was wondering what work would be done to keep the front end, fenders and front clip from the comanche. I would think the front headlight harness from the comanche does not plug up with the rest of the cherokee wiring
Eagle Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Why not use the donor Cherokee headlight harness? If you're swapping the rest of the Cherokee wiring, move the headlight harness, too. The headlight connectors are the same.
1988manche Posted June 20, 2019 Author Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Eagle said: Why not use the donor Cherokee headlight harness? If you're swapping the rest of the Cherokee wiring, move the headlight harness, too. The headlight connectors are the same. This is what i was trying to ask ha, i wasn't sure if they were the same plugs or not
Eagle Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 I'm talking about the plugs that go onto the headlights. They use the same headlights. That connector has been standard since the 1940s (or 30s).
shelbyluvv Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 The 97+ has 2 turn signal bulbs. The 96- has one. You have to mod the light hole on the 96- to accept the 97+ bulb holder. You then have to remove the unused bulb plug and put a resistor inline or you will have hyper flash from the missing bulb. You may be able to replace the flasher with a heavy duty one to avoid the hyper flash. I never tired so I don't know.
75sv1 Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 There was a write up on the MAD/XJ site about doing the reverse, ie late style flasher on an earlier XJ. You might find some info if you do a search. The site was abandoned some years back though.
Gearbox Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 This is interesting, I too have thought of doing a XJ swap on my comanche as well, where might be a thread on this
shelbyluvv Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 There are several write ups in the DIY section. It's still the best "mod" I ever did to my 89 Eliminator.
Eagle Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 The late model XJ flasher is a combination unit that does both the turns and the hazards in one unit. And it's electronic, and it's about two or three times the price of the most expensive flasher you can find for the early XJs and MJs. I don't think it's sensitive to the number of lamps in the circuit -- my wife's 2000 XJ with trailer package and my 2000 XJ without trailer package take the same flasher unit. The 2000 XJ factory parts book only shows one part number for the flasher module, not a separate part number with trailer tow.
shelbyluvv Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 https://www.amazon.com/EF27-Electronic-Signal-Flasher-Relay/dp/B0031GR7BAThey do make a flasher for LEDs and I think it will solve the front bulb issue. Don't hold me to it though.
1988manche Posted June 21, 2019 Author Posted June 21, 2019 1 hour ago, shelbyluvv said: https://www.amazon.com/EF27-Electronic-Signal-Flasher-Relay/dp/B0031GR7BA They do make a flasher for LEDs and I think it will solve the front bulb issue. Don't hold me to it though. So this would get plugged in place of one of the bulbs?
shelbyluvv Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 So this would get plugged in place of one of the bulbs? No, it replaces the stock flasher to put resistance in the system to stop hyper flash when there are LEDs installed. It "should" work the same when removing one of the bulbs to retain the old front end. I've never done it but in theory it should
1988manche Posted June 21, 2019 Author Posted June 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, shelbyluvv said: No, it replaces the stock flasher to put resistance in the system to stop hyper flash when there are LEDs installed. It "should" work the same when removing one of the bulbs to retain the old front end. I've never done it but in theory it should Guess it wouldn't hurt to try ha
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