feerocknok Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Wow. Really are tired of leaves... Did you decide on which coils you're going with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 I'll try TJ fronts in the rear, but I think I'll need XJ fronts. Not sure on the actual front. Some 8" coil I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 You had your front leafs setup with the shackle in the front right? I know that is the easy way.. but everyone I have seen with that kind of setup has had a problem with bending their leaf springs. I can't wait to see your link build up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisty Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Triangulated 4 link in the rear? What about the front? This will be fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 You had your front leafs setup with the shackle in the front right? I know that is the easy way.. but everyone I have seen with that kind of setup has had a problem with bending their leaf springs. I can't wait to see your link build up Yeah, I did. However, I think I'd have bent them anyways. Maybe. Things were getting kinda ugly. Not to mention that I managed to get them to wrap up! Besides, they'd need some major weird shackles to have worked the other way. We'll see how the links go. Gotta order more $#!& tomorrow. I think I'll go all RE larges for the front, but I'm not sure. I'm going to phone my guy and see what he says about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 Triangulated 4 link in the rear? What about the front? This will be fun to watch. 3-link and panhard... I think. It's a predicament. The lower links will have to be bent to clear the tires. Bent links aren't the best thing in the world. And I'm not sure how much length I can get on my upper. I'm going to order parts and start working on it again tomorrow, I hope. I might only get it done enough to get it rolling before I call it quits for the winter. MAYBE. I only have a week and a half to work on it. The problem is a buddy brought over his yota to SAS. And that thing has been KICKING MY @$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 Stupid toyota consuming all my time. I finially started looking at the parts I have lying around. The 4-link for the rear has just been a f' up from the start. The parts were late because they shipped the wrong ones. But some of it was right, so I got axle brackets and joints and link material. Or so we though. I tacked on the axle brackets and they sucked. It turns out my lower brackets are 5* instead of 30*. @#$%ing sweet. And the lower links are 1.75x.250 4130 instead of 2x.250 4130 that I thought they'd be. I never clarified, it just said "2x.250 lower links, upgradable to chromoly. " If you do the math, the 1.75" chromo is WEAKER than 2" DOM. So what's the god damn point? Saving weight on my links? Sweet, but my truck weighs 4200 and will bend them. And now I have an awesome eye infection that is leaving me half blind (can't wear contacts, can't find my glasses). Oh, and I think I might run a single triangulated 4-link in the front... I know, you're thinking "WHAAAAAAAAAT?" but, it'll work. Maybe. It worked well in a YJ I know of. So, maybe. Tomorrow I'll feel better about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oizarod115 Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 i'm thinking WHAAAAAAAAAAAT because i have no GD idea what a single triangulated 4-link is. ;) but i'll know when you finish. :bowdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 It's where one pair of arms is straight (normally the lower arms), as in they are totally perpendicular to the axle. Much like what you'd see on the lower arms of the stock MJ/XJ suspension. Or like the lower arms (if you will) of a radius arm setup (long arms). Then the other pair is on an angle, normally ccoming from the frame to the centre of the axle, and normally they're the uppers. It can cause odd issues because you don't have a track bar (panhard) and the axle does not move in the same plane as your drag link. However, it doesn't seem TOO bad and I can always build a track bar and ditch an upper link if I don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feerocknok Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Something like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 No, both uppers going to the center... Both lowers straight. No crossing. |/\| Err... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feerocknok Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 |/\| Wouldn't that still need a panhard? I'd imagine the dynamics of that suspension to be similar to that of a 3-link with a 'Y' link as the 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 As long as you get the middle links to about 30*, no, you don't need a panhard. Ever seen a single triangulated rar 4-link? Same deal. And you mean a wishbone 3-link? Hmm.... Sorta. But not really. Wishbones aren't the best setup. But nor is this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oizarod115 Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 yeah i can't see that workin well without a track bar.. you gonna run the angle'd links from an angled mount? or are you gonna bend the links to make the angle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 It works.. There are a couple of guys running it on their set-ups in the local clubs..Not the best for road driving.. and can be kinda unpredictable.. but works still the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted October 27, 2007 Author Share Posted October 27, 2007 The YJ that runs it is stable to about 100 in the dunes... But, yeah, it might not be the best. If I don't like it, I'll pull an upper and build a panhard. Maybe. I'm still not sure. And I'm going to jsut have to play with this one to make it clear. Bent links are a possibility, as much as I don't liek the concept. The reality is I'm flat out of time before winter though. So, I'll be working on it again in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 So, remember this build? It's may now, so I lied a bit, but I am back at work on it. I removed this: Image Not Found The front hitch is actually off my dodge, I removed it a long time ago. It just got chucked there because that became the new unoffical scrap pile. Which is quite a bit larger now. Got the rear end back together enough that it rolls, stuck it in position to check my clearances and such... Image Not Found Then cut more junk off: Image Not Found Then I stuck the link x-member in place to check clearances and angles... Image Not Found Seems I had about an inch of driveshaft clearance, which would allow for about 2" of uptravel. And the suspension is actually at droop now since I plan to lower it so much. So no, that didn't work. Notice how the garage is a @#$%ing mess - I need to drink a bunch of beer and clean it all, but I'm in too much of a hurry. Changed the x-member: Image Not Found Clearance is way better. I also mounted it a hair higher as the truck is going to sit lower anyways. Anti-squat is probably still around 130%, I'm not worried. Links: Image Not Found RE larges are retarded to weld on. They seem to warp a bit and the threads don't work worth crap after that. I need to buy or make a spanner wrench for them too - I can set them tight with a punch and hammer but it's kinda hack. Anyways, I only have till saturday to work on it, then I'm back to work. I want to get the rear in decently so I can look at the front some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted May 29, 2008 Author Share Posted May 29, 2008 I made links, yayyyyyyyyyyyyy Image Not Found And worked on the crossmember. I would have been more productive but I wasted a lot of time trying to find a 1-1/4 12TPI tap to clean up the threads on one of the inserts. Apparently they aren't too common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted May 30, 2008 Author Share Posted May 30, 2008 Whose got 4 links? I've got 4 links! Image Not Found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiNi Beast Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Whose got 4 links? I've got 4 links! Image Not Found Image Not Found you and your 4 links. I got 3 links. :roll: Not in the rear though. Very nice build thus far. I can't do something that extreme as far as the extreme amount of down time of the rig. I always want to go out and get dirty. However, will be one he!! of a rig when your done. Best be sure to post those pics and vids of the rig out and about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted May 30, 2008 Author Share Posted May 30, 2008 This part was actually fairly quick. A guy could do it from plans without much downtime at all... Build the X-member ahead of time, weld it in (okay, you have to move the gas tank, I know), setup another axle with all the brackets in the mean time and build the links ahead. Then you just unbolt the leaf springs and old axle, pop in the new stuff and weld in some top brackets for the coil springs. If there was a kit it'd be an easy weekend swap that way. I didn't have the best plans and lost all my notes anyways, so it took a lot more sticking stuff in and trying it than it should have. The front is gonna suck. I keep looking at it and wishing I had the notes I'd made. I'll figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiNi Beast Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Yeah that stuff looks intemidating. I was looking at the coil conversion for the rear of an XJ and for about $2500 not so much, rather build my own , but better yet leave it alone and wheel the pi$$ out of it. How much longer you think untill you got her set up in rolling mode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted May 30, 2008 Author Share Posted May 30, 2008 I'm going on tour for 'about a month' sometime next week, and I'm only here (where the truck is) until saturday. 'About a month' for a tour means something more like they're going to send me away and forget about me until they start trying to figure out where that company truck went. So, let's say I need another 2 weeks of work on it, but I can't do it for at least 6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiNi Beast Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Image Not Found well just have to hurry back and finish it up then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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