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MJ... any year rust free base would do:

 

'97+ swap minus the exterior panels

Rubi 44 with WJ knuckles/D44 with 4.10s

3.5" lift

31s on Gambler wheels

Bright red with Eliminator trim

'97+ black interior

nailed it.

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1. 1970-76' AM-Jeep corp M275A1:

AMC-390 / Spicer 5spd / 6.72 gears / 11.00R20H tires.

 

Red & Black paint job !

 

2. 1970-76' AM-Jeep corp M818:

400BC4 Cummins / 9spd / 6.44 gears / 12R24.5H tires.

 

Red & Black paint job !

 

M275/A1-A2 = 2.5T truck tractor.

 

M818/A1-A2 = 5T truck tractor.

 

Mike

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MJ... any year rust free base would do:

 

'97+ swap minus the exterior panels

Rubi 44 with WJ knuckles/D44 with 4.10s

3.5" lift

31s on Gambler wheels

Bright red with Eliminator trim

'97+ black interior

nailed it.

 

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M35 = 331Ci I-6 Gas engine.

 

M35A1 = 478Ci I-6 NA-Multifuel.

 

M35A2 = 478Ci I-6 Turbo-Multifuel.

 

Basically all A1's were MF-NAs and all A2s were MF-Ts the M-# is Gas powered.

 

The sad part of it all is the gas engine trucks had 4mph faster top speed and got there a good bit quicker . . . The MF's all had Over Drive 5spd's and the Gasser got Direct Drive 5spd's . . .

 

Mike

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You gus are all wrong! I won't that stock Gladiator that got caught up in that firefight when two bank robbers in 97' went into a BoA in Cali all armored up and carrying multiple assault rifles. One of them tried to escape in it at the end of the fight then got shot in the ankles from underneath. Heck, I'd DD it, even drive it to church, take my girlfriend on dates in it bullet holes shattered glass and all. jamminz.gif Someone will have to find a pic and post it up.

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I have seen that video footage a few times, I don't think the truck got hit ? Least not as bad as you make it sound anyway . . . But it was a sandy colored truck I remember that much ;-)

 

FSJ's are piss poor jeeps at best

Mike

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I have seen that video footage a few times, I don't think the truck got hit ? Least not as bad as you make it sound anyway . . . But it was a sandy colored truck I remember that much ;-)

 

FSJ's are piss poor jeeps at best

Mike

 

Lets review:

WAY way (way!) ahead of their time in 1963 when introduced.

Clean sheet of paper build (nothing held over from the Willys PU's)

It's actually amazing that an independent manufacturer with the most dated pickup truck design in the industry could trump the big 3, and introduce the most modern, state of the art truck available.

Original low ride height/high ground clearance truck

Designed as a 4wd vehicle first and foremost (not tacked on like other trucks of the time)

 

Kaiser years:

First production IFS 4wd (though short lived)

First production OHC in a truck (though poor in execution, as with the IFS, just too far ahead of it's time)

First auto 4x4 pickup

Available with 232 6, 327 & 350 V8's, and everything in between.

Factory DRW Stake side = jamminz.gif

 

 

AMC years:

First full time 4wd automatic Pickup

First luxury 4x4 pickup with available PW/PL/AC/tilt/cruise etc etc.

Available bare bones, or chromed out.

Everything from vinyl bench to leather buckets to Levi interiors.

With a 258/3spd, a 401 TH400, or anything in between.

 

 

Biggest strikes against J trucks are:

no D60 fts (other than the M715)

They kept closed knuckle/drum brake ft axles & narrow ft springs through the 1973 MY.

They didn't have the $$ to invest in new sheetmetal in 10 year cycles like they should have

(tho this is a plus if you want to put a 63' Rhino Chaser grill on a 1991 Grand Waggy.)

 

Biggest plus's are:

almost 30 years of interchangeability

the early stuff is beyond cool

the 70's 80's stuff can still be found at reasonable price

it's all Jeep,

straight through to the bone :cheers:

 

 

 

Random Ebay J trucks,

Both Vigilante 327 V8 4wd's

 

First one three on the tree

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep-J30 ... sQ5fTrucks

 

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Second one has a factory AC, auto, leather & overdrive (according to seller anyway):

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep-Gla ... sQ5fTrucks

 

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Sorry for all the obsession,

but I LOVE me some first gen J-truck

especially with the small rear window & a Gen I AMC V8.

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Yep in 1963 they were the best of the best and fair ahead of the competitio , by 1983 they were outdated and obsolete dinosaurs trailing a mile behind of the competition . . .

 

True facts all them, the XJ & MJ were the same things just better !

 

Now Jeep seems to be a nice high tech up to date unit and I simply hate Chrysler so it pains me to give them credit . . .

 

Mike

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Yep in 1963 they were the best of the best and fair ahead of the competitio , by 1983 they were outdated and obsolete dinosaurs trailing a mile behind of the competition . . .

 

You know what FSJ's were still the best of the best at, even as the last 29 year old Grand Waggy rolled off the assembly line?

 

Profit margin.

 

The Grand Waggy's had far, and away the greatest profit margin of any American made vehicle of that time,

since all the tooling had been paid for while most of the people building it were still in diapers.

 

Also interesting is that the Chrysler executives were the ones who fought to keep it as long as they did.

Seems, even though it was outdated, underpowered, and a gas guzzler (all true),

it was by far the most requested executive vehicle in Chrysler's line up.

 

It must have been doing something right. :thumbsup:

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Yep, 30yrs of production and little to no updates = $-)

There also wasn't a huge difference between an 84' XJ and an 01' XJ minor details . . .

 

I'm sure the profit marine was nice on the XJ too

Mike

 

 

I just pulled out "The Standard Catalog of American Trucks",

and it lists the median income of the AVERAGE Grand Wagoneer owner as $91,000.

 

In 1987. :eek:

 

They built 15,000 of them that year.

 

 

1984: 22,536

1985: 9,010

1986: 16,252

1987: 15,000

1988: 16,228

1989: 12,345

1990: 6,810

1991: 3,704

 

I don't know if this helps my argument one way, or the other,

just thought it was interesting. :thumbsup:

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Grand Wagoneer 84'-91':

 

1984: 22,536

1985: 9,010

1986: 16,252

1987: 15,000

1988: 16,228

1989: 12,345

1990: 6,810

1991: 3,704

 

XJ-Cherokee 84'-91':

 

84 - 93,326

85 - 120,328

86 - 107,225

87 - 139,295

88 - 187,136

89 - 207,216

90 - 151,230

91 - 151,578

 

Thanks for the G Wag number's, The Jeeper's have spoken FSJ vs MSJ . . . The Mid sized Jeeps win ! ! !

 

Mike

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Grand Wagoneer 84'-91':

 

1984: 22,536

1985: 9,010

1986: 16,252

1987: 15,000

1988: 16,228

1989: 12,345

1990: 6,810

1991: 3,704

 

XJ-Cherokee 84'-91':

 

84 - 93,326

85 - 120,328

86 - 107,225

87 - 139,295

88 - 187,136

89 - 207,216

90 - 151,230

91 - 151,578

 

Thanks for the G Wag number's, The Jeeper's have spoken FSJ vs MSJ . . . The Mid sized Jeeps win ! ! !

 

Mike

Hands down, in the battle of numbers,

the XJ wins.

 

FWIW, the ZJ crushed all XJ records when it came out,

and the Explorer destroyed the ZJ's numbers.

 

Since they were selling every one they could build,

ZJ & Explorer numbers had more to do with production capacity than anything else.

 

No other Jeep line could touch the production numbers the brand new ZJ plant could put out.

And Ford had 1.5x's that capability for Explorers.

 

 

But I'd still take a tastefully built FSJ over any of those jamminz.gif .

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Ok, I was comparing Jeeps to Jeeps . . . If you wanna bring in other brands I'm sure Ford n GM at one time or another Trashed Jeep from day one . . . Dodge might even of beat them a time or two even ;-)

 

Point is Jeep did best once scaled down in size and cranked up in power and Technology . . .

 

But I'm sure if you compared Dodge, Ford, GM and Jeep 62'-91' not only will Jeep trail in production numbers they will also trail in technology advancement and body style updates ! ! !

 

AMC-Car production numbers have hit 300-500K units, So they can and could produce numbers.

 

There just wasn't enough demand ! ! !

Mike

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Ok, I was comparing Jeeps to Jeeps . . . If you wanna bring in other brands I'm sure Ford n GM at one time or another Trashed Jeep from day one . . . Dodge might even of beat them a time or two even ;-)

 

Point is Jeep did best once scaled down in size and cranked up in power and Technology . . .

 

But I'm sure if you compared Dodge, Ford, GM and Jeep 62'-91' not only will Jeep trail in production numbers they will also trail in technology advancement and body style updates ! ! !

 

AMC-Car production numbers have hit 300-500K units, So they can and could produce numbers.

 

There just wasn't enough demand ! ! !

Mike

 

I did bring other brands into the discussion,

but it was only to say that more doesn't always = better.

 

AMC & Jeep both suffered, and prospered due to their lack of body updates.

 

And the AMC production numbers were be across the board, for total production @ both Kenosha & Brampton.

 

Yes, if AMC had devoted total production, at both plants to a single model, they could have hit the numbers Ford did for their Explorer (maybe),

but without variety, you're probably not going to get the dealership traffic you need to actually sell them.

That was Ford's other edge,

a much stronger dealer network.

 

 

I don't know how my tone comes through, but obviously the XJ was a far more marketable product,

and the FSJ stuck around way longer than it would have under just about any other brand name,

 

but both were the innovators in their markets, and forced the big three to change direction to keep up.

 

That tells me they were doing something right with both lines. :yes:

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From another thread:

( viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28570&start=15 )

 

I just want something old, with barn doors on back (delivery Waggy, or Willys),

something 327 AMC powered,

and something with a drop top (CJ6 would be nice).

 

I wouldn't mind a Mighty Mite to zip around in tho (yeah, I know it's an AMC, but not a Jeep :D )

 

This one is old enough, has the 327 61k miles, & a column shift.

If it had barn doors on it, I'd have to find room for it somewhere:

 

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/ctd/2226598900.html

 

1967 Jeep Cherokee grand wagoneer - 61617 miles, tan - $4995 (Hopedale)

 

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sweet ride

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Mark Rizoli Auto Village

By Appointment Only

Hopedale, MA 01747

508-478-8202

 

Vehicle Information

VIN: 1414107115 Trim: grand wagoneer

Miles: 61617 Color: tan

Engine: 8-Cylinder 327 V8 MPG:

Stock #:

 

Vehicle Options

 

4 Door, 4 Wheel Drive,

 

Sellers Description

 

Rare 327 v8, only 61K, looks good, starts and runs great, 3 speed column shift, undercarraige and floorboards are not rusted.

This vehicle is what it is, it looks good, runs good, and is priced fairly. Shown by appointment only to SERIOUS buyers who are ready willing and able to purchase it. Thank you for looking!

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no one said a COMMANDO? i had a 69 (i think) commando with the dauntless v6 in it

man that thing sounded soooooo sweet when you tached it out in low range scooting thru some mud.

sounded way better than any v8 i ever heard. it rode terrible and the all around drum brakes didnt really stop it very well.given what i know know id change the axles out anyway.get new spring packs.

the older ones with the wrangler front end are awesome looking. the newer ones 70 and above i think?

the front end looked horrible. :)

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What Jeep would you have ? if you could have any ? ? These 4 ! ! ! :

 

FSJ:

1. 4WD Honcho shortbed stepside with J/20 running gear, powered by a 10.5:1 AMC-390.

 

MSJ:

2. 2WD Comanche shortbed, MJ-Metric ton running gear, powered by a 10.3:1 AMC-290.

 

Mil-Spec Jeep:

3. M275 2.5T powered by a 9.5:1 AMC-390 and 11.00R20 tires.

 

4. M818 5T powered by a 475hp BC-4 Cummins and 12R24.5 tires.

 

Mike

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Revive old thread...

 

I would have a TJ converted to a Brute pickup with a stroker, 4 inches of lift and 33s.

Manual transmission. Without the high line fenders. I think they take away from the looks. Stock TJ lines.

Bushwaker pocket style flares. Other odds and ends. Would be my DD.

 

I'd also like a TJ unlimited (same lift and tire size) for the wifes daily driver.

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If I could have any JEEP it would be have to be a hemi powered JK-8.

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But the vehicle I would love to own and could realistically afford would be a bit bigger and 6wd. Problem is I have no place to put it as we're not allowed to park a truck in town.

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