702_MJ Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Ok so the whole story is I got this FSJ cherokee for free from craigslist, my whole thought was D44 front and 50/50 chance being wide trac or narrow trac, so I jumped on it. Dropped the axles and its a wide trac.............so what are my options? My original plan(if it was a narrow trac) was to pair it with an isuzu rodeo rear dana 44. And I could still do that if I shorten the axle, if you have knowledge on shortening an axle please let me know because the axle is about as wide as the truck now and that will look plain stupid with tires sticking out that far. Second I wanted to truss the front with a TNT customs waggy truss(same truck should work) but if I shorten it to about the width of a narrow trac anyone think that the truss would have to be modified? I will try confirm this with TNT customs. And third, if I absolutely have to run the fullwidth axle what rear should I pair it with, I really don't want the AMC20 that came with it. I would really appreciate some help right now, cuz yeah I'm confused :???: Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Automan2164 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 From what i hear that AMC20 is a good solid axle to run... Rob L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
702_MJ Posted October 25, 2009 Author Share Posted October 25, 2009 yeah if i had to keep it I would keep it, but I don't want full width axles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Automan2164 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 What gears? Think you could sell them or trade for narrow's? Got to be someone looking to go bigger and get rid of their old axles... Rob L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
702_MJ Posted October 25, 2009 Author Share Posted October 25, 2009 I don't know the gears. I could try but I think the only guys who will want them is the yota guys who are doing SAS. I'm in hawaii, so I can't trade or sell like up in the states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Automan2164 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I don't know the gears. I could try but I think the only guys who will want them is the yota guys who are doing SAS. I'm in hawaii, so I can't trade or sell like up in the states Figured as much... I wouldn't be able to imagine finding an MJ down there... I bet its like trying to find a rust free one up here... Doesn't happen often... Let alone builder parts and old vehicles... Rob L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
702_MJ Posted October 25, 2009 Author Share Posted October 25, 2009 belive it or not they are around, you catch one on the road quite often. Jeep sold alot down here, the hard part for me is finding the waggy, thats why I jumped on this one. I don't regret it I just need to figure out how to build the MJ using those axles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redramman Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Fender flares from a desert racer.step side,bushwacker,make some ,or adapt trailer fenders split down the middle. Jc-Whitney sells rubber flares on a roll up to 4" wide.?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 yeah if i had to keep it I would keep it, but I don't want full width axles Yeah, but the question you asked in your first post was: "If I keep the full-width front axle, what should I run in the back?" The answer is obviously the AMC 20 that you already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redramman Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I don't regret it I just need to figure out how to build the MJ using those axles Not sure abuot the suspension brackets though? Cut weld,cut respline,any thing is posible the guy on EXTREME 4X4 can have it all done in 45minutes!!!????!!!!! :clapping: :ack: :hmm: :shake: Yea Right :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Automan2164 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Well, you could always "Custom" make some fender flares and panels if you used FSJ axles. And while your making the flares, might as well go hog wild with the fiberglass :brows: : Rob L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpnjim Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 What to use with a WT FSJ front D44? Even though they're C-clip axles, I'd try to find a semi-floater 14 bolt with 6 lug axles. 'Heavy Half' half ton Chevy's & SS454's got them, 9.5" ring gears & 33 spline shafts. In the mean time I'd run the M20. But honestly, if you're gonna go full width, you might as well ditch the FSJ axles, and go 3/4 ton 8 lug. More rear options (FF14 bolt, D60, D70, etc), and if you ever come across a D60 front, you're not scrambling to swap the 6 lug rear you have for matching 8 lug. As far as what to do for flares? Cut those FSJ flares off the Wide Wheel Cherokee, and put them on the MJ. :brows: I bet they'd look awesome. :banana: :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
702_MJ Posted October 25, 2009 Author Share Posted October 25, 2009 http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_li ... dana44.htm What about this? In the end I might just sell them............or run them I don't know............ :wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratrapp Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 if the amc 20 was like the one in my old 77cj5 and 79 cj7 then i'm not impressed with them.the stupid 2-piece axle is junk.i replaced them with moser 1-piece axles and then the next weak link was spider gears and center pins.they might be fine for everyday driving but they have weak links for serious off roading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 if the amc 20 was like the one in my old 77cj5 and 79 cj7 It isn't the same. End of discussion. The Model 20 used in the MJ had one-piece axles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasbulliwagen Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 if the amc 20 was like the one in my old 77cj5 and 79 cj7 It isn't the same. End of discussion. The Model 20 used in the MJ had one-piece axles. The FSJ's AMC20 also used 1 peice axles. And why would you buy an FSJ for axles if you didnt want to go full width? I myself think it would look really cool to have the full width axles under it. It won't be worth the money if you narrow the existing axles. Youd be better off selling what you got and buying something different that is the right width to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueXJ Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 if the amc 20 was like the one in my old 77cj5 and 79 cj7 It isn't the same. End of discussion. The Model 20 used in the MJ had one-piece axles. Good to know. I was thinking the same thing. I replaced those 2 piece CJ axles about once a month for awhile back then. Finally sold that CJ for that very reason. :clapping: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
702_MJ Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 if the amc 20 was like the one in my old 77cj5 and 79 cj7 It isn't the same. End of discussion. The Model 20 used in the MJ had one-piece axles. The FSJ's AMC20 also used 1 peice axles. And why would you buy an FSJ for axles if you didnt want to go full width? I myself think it would look really cool to have the full width axles under it. It won't be worth the money if you narrow the existing axles. Youd be better off selling what you got and buying something different that is the right width to begin with. I wanted a FSJ narrow trac, kinda hard to come by down here in hawaii. So I took the chance. Full width on my MJ would look weird first of all, and they would be a cop magnet! Theres yotas down here with tires sticking out 1' from the truck rolling with like 15" deep rims and they make us look bad. Because of that whole "crab" look as they like to say the people who don't like 4x4 and big trucks(damn hippies) are making a big deal out of that saying its hazardous to their safety on the road. That whole discussion has put any 4x4 that is lifted with tires sticking out of the flares in the cross hairs of the cops, when I go to get my safety check even now they question if I have a lift or the my tires might be to big( my truck hasnt changed since my sig pic). So far narrowing the axle doesnt look that difficult, but thats just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I've got some big ol' ford axles under my MJ and honestly, they aren't that bad if you add on some bushwacker flares. Wheel backspacing is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpm4x4 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Here's my waggy 44 paired with a 9" ford out of a 79 bronco, my tires are hella wide 35x15.5 swamper sx, if I had my flares on and 10.50 wide tires they would very similar to pete's profile (I think) and yes I converted the waggy axle to 5 on 5.5 :clapping: Image Not Found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
702_MJ Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 They don't look bad at all. Maybe using the tape measure is just screwing with my eyes. And maybe looking up fullwidth axle cherokee on google turned me off. I don't know I guess I will just wing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 The "full width" axles on the FS Cherokees were actually an option -- it was the "wide wheel" option, available only on the 2-door Cherokees. 4-door Cherokees, Wagoneers, and all Grand Wagoneers got the standard width. The difference isn't all that much. Back in the day, my brother had a '78 with the wide wheel option and I bought a used 4-door that didn't have it. My front fenders were totally history and I found I could get replacements with the flares for the pickup and wide wheel for the same price as the standard fenders, so I did. With 31" tires on, if mine was parked next to my brother's you really had to look to see the difference. It was maybe an inch on each side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
702_MJ Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 I was thinking about it and the axle isnt that much wider than the D30. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the D30 is about 60" wms to wms and the wide trac 44 is 65" wms to wms. So 2.5" wider on each side IF it was centered under the jeep which isnt bad. Sounds good on paper, I don't think it works that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I think my ford axle is 78" wms to wms so this one would be a bit narrower. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
702_MJ Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 How did you mount it? What bracket kit did you use? I was thinking about going with the TNT truss. Then I called them and they said it was for the narrow trac, they said there would be space between the truss and the C's. And IF I really wanted to narrow the axle I could use the truss as a guide for my measurements, and help strengthen the axle a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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