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Skidoo gave you the wiring diagram. You need to BUY two (2) relays. The way to wire your lights is to wire them according to Ski's diagram. And I don't care what you want to believe, if you have driving lights and you wire them like fog lights you will NOT be legal.

Are you sure you're talking about the original Wrangler Radial, and not some of the later "Wrangler XXX" models? I've put probably 150,000 miles or more on original Wranglers and never had a balance problem. The tires I've had severe balance problems with, to my surprise, have been Dunlops.

Not if you have driving lights wired up to work the way fog lights are supposed to work ...

Good luck on that -- there is no high beam relay.

If you are near a Wal-Mart with an auto center, they have the Goodyear Wrangler (the ORIGINAL Wrangler, just like what came on the 1980s XJs and MJs) in 235/75-15 (only size available in 15") for $88 each. Best deal in the galaxy.

2.5L all the way. The 2.8L for the XJ (and then the MJ) was strictly an afterthought. The XJ was introduced in late 1983 as a 1984 model year vehicle. It was designed around the 2.5L engine. Then Jeep realized that other vehicles they would be competing against were available with a V6, so they decided they needed a V6 option and cut what they thought was a deal with GM for the 2.8L -- which GM had given up on at that point. It was a deal all right -- for GM.

Iron Duke!?!? The Iron Duke was a Pontiac engine. BLASPHEMY! BURN THE NECROMANCER!

Perhaps this will help ...

The 2.5L uses the same timing chain as the 4.0L, but the block height on the 2.5L is slightly lower so the 2.5L uses a timing chain tensioner inside the case to make up for the slack. You'll need to budget for replacing that as well as the chain itself. It's also possible that the chain isn't actually broken, that only the tensioner broke and is making noises. However -- sight unseen, hasn't run for three years. I don't think it's worth $500 unless the body is in pristine (or nearly pristine) condition. Ultimately, though, it's really a question of what it's worth to you. Expect the gas mileage to be in the low to mod-20s.

I'm going to go WAY out on a limb and say that the lens alone could not possibly make the difference between a long, tight driving light beam and a very wide, flat, cut-off fog light beam.

Fog lights and driving lights DO have different reflectors.

Yeah? Did you read it? There's a lot in there that applies directly to you: This immediately tells you that FOG lights are different from DRIVING lights. They have a different SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) type code. You can't buy a driving light and call it a fog light ... even by changing the lens. For an MJ, this means you can have two fog lights, two driving lights, or one of each. For your father's old car with the quad headlights, since driving lights come on with the high beams and he had four high beams already, he could not have added driving lights. He COULD have added two fog lights -- as long as they were wired to turn off when the high beams turned on. Translation: You can't use a driving light as a fog light, or a fog light as a driving light. Note specifically that it says vehicles equipped from the factory with two driving lights shall not be rejected. This is consistent with the state law. Driving lights MUST be wired so they only operate with the high beams on. You can't install driving lights and try to modify them to be fog lights. Fog lights must be an approved type. No alterations allowed. This document is an administrative regulation. It is a "law," but only because it exists and functions under the "statutory authority" of the section of state statute I cited earlier. An administrative regulation can NEVER cancel, override, or contradict the statute. Statutes rule. The language of the statute is clear: you can add fog lights, but driving lights are allowed ONLY from the factory.

He can update to the XJ gasket style trim.

Wrong state ...

Never mind -- I found it. You cannot legally install DRIVING lights on your MJ in Virginia -- period. You can install FOG lights. The reason is that Jeep never offered DRIVING lights for the XJ or the MJ -- only FOG lights. This section of the law also explains why the Liberty could not be sold in VA with the four optional, rooftop off-road lights. http://www.lawserver.com/law/state/virginia/va-code/virginia_code_46-2-1020

1. already have that site for my state, va, 2. i already know the law for the lights, Redwolf I don't think you do. If you have a site that spells out the law for Virginia, post the link to it. Because what you posted a couple of posts back is wrong: Federal law requires that FOG lights shut off when the high beams are on, and DRIVING lights shut off when the high beams are NOT on. I very much doubt that Virginia has a state law that is directly the opposite of the federal law. Let's see the source documentation for what you think you know.

You're right, and I'm wrong (again). And I wasn't even drinking. Maybe that's the problem ...

Hey, guys -- I just noticed that, between the photo in post #3 and the diagram in post #7, if you compare the two they won't have the water pump rotating in the same direction. Oops!

I forgot that you're in Virginia. Do you remember when the Liberty first came out to replace the Cherokee? One of the factory options on the Libby was a set of four off-road lights mounted on the roof. Guess which state did NOT allow that option to be sold within its borders. If you guessed "Virginia," you win the game. Virginia is very strict on lights. But, even if they weren't, I don't know about Pete but I'm not going to go on a public forum and recommend to people that they knowingly break the law. The law is the law. You're going to be making your own wiring harness from scratch. It's not much more work to do it right than to do it wrong, so why not do it right? And then there's the issue of the right kind of lights. Driving lights DON'T WORK as fog lights. If you install driving lights when you want fog lights, you are WASTING TIME AND MONEY AND EFFORT. Just do it right, for Gawd's sake. Get the right lights for the job, and wire them in according to the law. Why are you now so interested in doing it completely wrong, when you started off asking us how to do it right?

i did, looks closed off like a tube bumper or somethin unless the plastic dirt skirt is in the way :dunno: can't see a way to take that bumper off either :( and if lights are aimed right they can be used for anything with the right modification, just throwin my 2 cent out there :D Redwolf No, they can't. Because the lenses are different, and the reflectors are different, so the lights throw light in a completely different pattern. Aiming driving lights low enough to not blind on-coming drivers would make them useless as driving lights, and because the beam is very narrow they would also be useless as fog lights. And the fact remains, however you aim them they ARE driving lights, and the law for driving lights is that they can operate ONLY with the high beams ... while the law for fog lights is that they canNOT operate with the high beams. Skidoo's excellent wiring diagram is NOT correct for driving lights. It can be modified to work for driving lights, but as drawn it is WRONG if your lights are driving lights. And, by the way, just putting a yellow lens on a driving light doesn't make it a fog light.

Why? The default font seems to work just fine for everyone else.

The above statement is true. I agree completely. That said -- running your fogs with the high beams is illegal under federal law and under the laws of many states. That's why no factory fogs come set up to do it.

Howley's post. As I read it, he wants to turn on his fogs at will; by themselves, w. or w/o the head lamps, HI or LO beam. As I do. If I'm reading his post correctly, the answer is yes, and no additional rely is required. And I fully understand Skidoo's fine wiring diagram, but this is not what Howley is asking. I guess we're reading his post differently. What he wrote was: The factory setup requires that the headlights be on to use the foglights, but they do go off when you switch to high beams. I interpret Howley's question as asking how to change that so he can run the fogs either with headlights (the way they work now) or with parking lights or no lights. Since his present setup kills the fogs with high beams, to convert to on with no headlights and to maintain the high beam off "feature" requires adding a relay. He asked how to convert to "the above diagram" ... which has the two relays.

Now, now. Sarcasm ill becomes you. Skidoo's diagram does NOT violate the law, because the second relay (tapped off the high beams) is normally closed, and when it sees power it turns off the fogs. Howley asked how to modify the factory setup to do the same thing. It can be done, but it will require the addition of a second relay in addition to relocating the primary power tap. I can figure out the changes needed and I'd be happy to do so ... once I find my wiring diagram book. If you have yours and want to draw it up, by all means go for it.

The originals were tapped off the low beams, not the high beams. If you change that to a switched ignition feed, the fogs will operate any time you have the ignition on but they WON'T go off when you switch to high beams, and the law requires that they do so. That's why Skidoo's wiring diagram uses two relays.