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Hey guys. I'm planning a restoration on my 88 Mj Gracie. After

which i plan on driving her cross-country, and possibly towing

a car to the track. Not planning on lifting, and i will NOT add a

diesel or V8 - she will see some light off-road, but I'm building a 

factory-esque grand touring truck.

 

That being said, when i asked a few years ago about building a

4.6 or swapping in an HO, the general consensous was that the

4.0HO would be a far more reliable and long-term motor. On that

recommendation i bought a donor 91 Mj with plans to rebuild the

motor and swap everything over...

 

So i plan to start the teardown process in a few days and asked

some questions on the FB page, and now the general consensous

has gone the opposite direction - build the 4.6 and forget the HO.

 

I need to start making long term plans so i need some good info

- logically i think a 4.6 would be better at towing and xcountry 

travel, but I'm worried I'm not going to see the 100k+ miles of

dependabilty id expect from the HO. I'm now also doubting the

HO will have the bump in power i was initially hoping for.

 

Please help me find direction here. I want to build the right jeep.

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What do you plan on towing?

Also gearing will help make the 4.0 pull well. Especially if your truck is a standard.

I had 4.10’s in my stick XJ with 31’s and 32’s and it had plenty of power. 

Stock sized tires a set of 3.73’s would be a good choice.

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I was thinking 3.55s since those are the highest gears

ARB makes a locker for AND will be the most forgiving

(fuel effiecent) for 2000+ mile treks. I don't plan on 

towing more than 100 miles, maybe 2-4 times a year so

its not the primary focus... however the stock renix is

definitely not up for the task. It can't even climb a steep

hill empty.

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5 hours ago, Bonkers said:

I was thinking 3.55s since those are the highest gears

ARB makes a locker for AND will be the most forgiving

(fuel effiecent) for 2000+ mile treks. I don't plan on 

towing more than 100 miles, maybe 2-4 times a year so

its not the primary focus... however the stock renix is

definitely not up for the task. It can't even climb a steep

hill empty.

Where'd you get that information at?

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I'm no fan of the 4.0, no fan of the AW4........that said-

 

Our XJ will pull 3-4K uphill with no problem. Braking is another matter. Over 250K miles.

 

 

See link below-

 

I've gone through my engine harness, eliminated the C101, improved my grounds, replaced all sensors.....etc........

 

Last weekend I replaced my fuse block, all new connectors. Truck had not been started in over a week, turned key and to my surprise it fired up immediately. What the fuse block has to do directly with the ignition circuit...IDK, however, with every improvement I've made to the electrical system the engine runs better, starts faster. 

 

I read all the complaints regarding lacking of power, and the standard answer is- throw a stroker at it. 

 

If you have a problem, it's mechanical or electrical. 

 

See his experience-

 

 

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2 hours ago, Noriyori_Kudo said:

The 4.0 its self is rated around 220 area for torque give or take a bit.  Now the 4.6 stroker makes around the 300 ft lb torque which is way more than a built HO can give you.

 

Where do you guys come up with this crap? How do you know you make "around" 300 ft lb? From your super accurate butt dyno?  :laugh:   You Renix guys are all yak - yak with no proof. About the only thing I believe above is your "I have never owned a HO..." statement. C'mon Nori, you're normally a sensible guy with excellent advice and not prone to raving. 

 

HO peak torque @ 3K RPM = 340 ft lbs, dyno run back in 2008 below. And it's better now. Check it out. Show me yours. 

 

https://www.jeepstrokers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=387&hilit=comanche91&start=15

 

Just my 2¢...

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I don't believe what any engine manufacturer claims, Nori. I have to see it to believe it. Making statements like "Now the 4.6 stroker makes around the 300 ft lb torque which is way more than a built HO can give you" is an irrational statement mate.

 

Delete your account if you must. Jeesh....

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6 hours ago, Jeep Driver said:

Where'd you get that information at?

 

ARB told me when i asked about lockers for the 3.07s. They

told me the highest ratio kits for the D30 and D44 had to be

at least 3.55/6 but preferrably 3.73+. Clearly I'm no mechanic,

but when the guys who build the product tell me it doesnt 

exist, i tend to believe them.

 

Also, i was under the impression that there was no difference

in stroking a 4.0 renix vs 4.0HO. So do you think stroking both 

the 91 HO motor AND swapping in the components would be 

the more ideal choice? Or are you saying to swap in a stroked

97 HO (which would be a huge PITA since I'm not changing the

interior to that crummy soft-edge look.)

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12 minutes ago, Bonkers said:

 

ARB told me when i asked about lockers for the 3.07s. They

told me the highest ratio kits for the D30 and D44 had to be

at least 3.55/6 but preferrably 3.73+. Clearly I'm no mechanic,

but when the guys who build the product tell me it doesnt 

exist, i tend to believe them.

 

Also, i was under the impression that there was no difference

in stroking a 4.0 renix vs 4.0HO. So do you think stroking both 

the 91 HO motor AND swapping in the components would be 

the more ideal choice? Or are you saying to swap in a stroked

97 HO (which would be a huge PITA since I'm not changing the

interior to that crummy soft-edge look.)

You'll have to change carriers to go to say 4.lls.........IOWs, you cannot use  your 3.07 carrier to run a taller gear than 3.55. 

 

I guess you know you are planning on spending a S---load of money?

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1 minute ago, Jeep Driver said:

You'll have to change carriers to go to say 4.lls.........IOWs, you cannot use  your 3.07 carrier to run a taller gear than 3.55. 

 

You can if you use a set of "thick" R&P gears.   :thumbsup:

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15 minutes ago, Jeep Driver said:

I guess you know you are planning on spending a S---load of money?

 

No, I'm planning on spending a $#!&load of money on this

build. I already have more planned on the rear axle than i

originally spent buying the entire truck.

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