MJ Dana 60 to buy or not?

[DirtyComanche]

9 minutes ago, Eagle said:

There are only two options here: Either you're trolling us, or you need to do more homework before engaging the keyboard.

 

I have to agree, but I want to see pictures of this D60 rear in a MJ.  Along with the BOM number on it so we can find out what it's actually from.

 

 

If you want to enter the world of bizarre, you can bolt the right GM 10.5" 14 Bolt rear in a MJ with 'literally' no modifications beyond ubolts/plates to fit the 3-5/8" tubes (and a slightly longer brake hose, maybe the shock mounts don't work as I'll admit I didn't try that, and a conversion ujoint again with the caveat that I didn't try that so the driveshaft is likely the wrong length).  That wouldn't make it factory though, and it's obviously not to anyone that knows anything about MJs.

[Sir Sam]

24 minutes ago, Eagle said:

 

Mate, I'm now officially calling you out for spewing bull$#!&. I special ordered TWO 2000 XJs from the factory. I went over every option available. The only axles used for the front of 2000 and 2001 XJs were low-pinion Dana 30s, and for the rear axle the choices were Dana 35 (with ABS) or Chrysler 8.25 (w/o ABS). Jeep had long since stopped offering the Dana 44 as an optional, heavy duty axle by 2000 and 2001. Special order from the factory meant you could pick from what they offered (and some combinations weren't available), it didn't mean you could buy something that Jeep didn't offer and they'd run out and get one for your vehicle.

 

There are only two options here: Either you're trolling us, or you need to do more homework before engaging the keyboard.

 

Agreed. Total BS about ordering from the factory with a 44 front in 2000. You don't get to say "Ive got money so build me an XJ with this axle." On a production line that is 24/7 automated and costs $80,000 an hour when it shuts down.

 

[jeeppapa]

Well I’m officially calling you out on your ignorance of the automobile industry and the way dealerships work. I don’t now if axels and body where married at the factory or dealership. You could order a car and pay for the axels too. Car comes to dealership and axels are put on. And as far as a production line application goes. Parts come to the line usually on a hoist and they are married to the car. Do those parts just magically appear? The are loaded on those hoists by people in a different part of the plant who are looking at the same build sheet that the guy on the line is looking at. They know witch part go in witch sequence according to buildsheet. The hoist are filled with axels or what ever parts sequence to the build number witch correlates to the car on the line. They are sent to be married to that particular body on a special order number. This truck was built in Canada. Do you honestly think that if an oil company came in and said we’re ordering 4 Cherokees for the field but we need heavy duty axels. You think that dealership is going to let them go to Ford? No they are going to make it happen. Now the auto maker has those axels new in a wear house or at the vendor and they could be sent to a dealership or an assembly line with a few strokes of a keyboard? And your rite they don’t stop an assembly line for a special build , the parts come to them. Now if your salesman at the dealership is new and doesn’t know this can happen or doesn’t want to take the time to make it happen, or the time needed to attach an addendum to a special order to have an axel shipped to the dealer or factory or maybe he doesn’t get his commission until you officially sign and take position of the car and guess what his house payment is due in 2 weeks. well guess what? Your going to be told these are the only axels you can get. End of story. Now honestly before you call a person out publicly on BS you should really get educated yourself on production and sales. Because at the end of the day if you really wanted those factory axels the only thing you would have had to do is get out of the chair in the salesman’s office and go
to the parts department ordered them and had the dealership put them on. Then you would have had factory 44s under your XJ before you bought it. Now I believe the 70+ year old man I bought it from when he said it had factory upgraded axels, he had the money and smarts. This was my first 4x4 and That was Greek to me at the time. Later I realized what that was about. And this car was bought in Orange County CA and from a dealership he had done business with them for years. Maybe you where at the wrong dealership. I’ve been in car plants many times over 27 years my father worked there. As a foreman he would take me in and explain how the line would worked and because we had many special order cars, he explained that too. Lots of those special orders wouldn’t even go into production until all the parts were in from vendors including Dana. Hell he was able to special order for a Positrac on a 1976 four-cylinder Vega and 76 454 Buick Estate station wagon. That positract in the wagon was a truck axel. If the Auto maker already had a relationship established with the vendor (in this case Dana) it could be done. Do you honestly think that they would lose sales especially commercial sales over seas because they weren’t tooled up to put a Dana 44 in place of an 8.5 if needed. Really. It’s about paying the extra money lots more money and a few key strokes that’s it and knowing what your doing and how to get it done. So don’t call BS not unless you really know the ins and outs mate.


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[jeeppapa]

 
Thanks for torturing me again. AFAIK there is only ONE of these that ever made it to the USA ... and I don't own it. WAAAAAH!

Holy cow I’ve never seen one. That’s great, what a cool idea.


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[Jeep Driver]

15 minutes ago, jeeppapa said:

Well I’m officially calling you out on your ignorance of the automobile industry and the way dealerships work. I don’t now if axels and body where married at the factory or dealership. You could order a car and pay for the axels too. Car comes to dealership and axels are put on. And as far as a production line application goes. Parts come to the line usually on a hoist and they are married to the car. Do those parts just magically appear? The are loaded on those hoists by people in a different part of the plant who are looking at the same build sheet that the guy on the line is looking at. They know witch part go in witch sequence according to buildsheet. The hoist are filled with axels or what ever parts sequence to the build number witch correlates to the car on the line. They are sent to be married to that particular body on a special order number. This truck was built in Canada. Do you honestly think that if an oil company came in and said we’re ordering 4 Cherokees for the field but we need heavy duty axels. You think that dealership is going to let them go to Ford? No they are going to make it happen. Now the auto maker has those axels new in a wear house or at the vendor and they could be sent to a dealership or an assembly line with a few strokes of a keyboard? And your rite they don’t stop an assembly line for a special build , the parts come to them. Now if your salesman at the dealership is new and doesn’t know this can happen or doesn’t want to take the time to make it happen, or the time needed to attach an addendum to a special order to have an axel shipped to the dealer or factory or maybe he doesn’t get his commission until you officially sign and take position of the car and guess what his house payment is due in 2 weeks. well guess what? Your going to be told these are the only axels you can get. End of story. Now honestly before you call a person out publicly on BS you should really get educated yourself on production and sales. Because at the end of the day if you really wanted those factory axels the only thing you would have had to do is get out of the chair in the salesman’s office and go
to the parts department ordered them and had the dealership put them on. Then you would have had factory 44s under your XJ before you bought it. Now I believe the 70+ year old man I bought it from when he said it had factory upgraded axels, he had the money and smarts. This was my first 4x4 and That was Greek to me at the time. Later I realized what that was about. And this car was bought in Orange County CA and from a dealership he had done business with them for years. Maybe you where at the wrong dealership. I’ve been in car plants many times over 27 years my father worked there. As a foreman he would take me in and explain how the line would worked and because we had many special order cars, he explained that too. Lots of those special orders wouldn’t even go into production until all the parts were in from vendors including Dana. Hell he was able to special order for a Positrac on a 1976 four-cylinder Vega and 76 454 Buick Estate station wagon. That positract in the wagon was a truck axel. If the Auto maker already had a relationship established with the vendor (in this case Dana) it could be done. Do you honestly think that they would lose sales especially commercial sales over seas because they weren’t tooled up to put a Dana 44 in place of an 8.5 if needed. Really. It’s about paying the extra money lots more money and a few key strokes that’s it and knowing what your doing and how to get it done. So don’t call BS not unless you really know the ins and outs mate.


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I promised I would be nice here.............

 

Before I chose my rear axle I looked for about 6 months, searching everyone's list of axles, WMS to WMS of 60", every make and model of any year. '77 Lincoln Versailles, IIRC, was the one that I could pin down. 9" Ford with 60" WMS and 5 on 4.5 -- Other than a factory AMC/Chrysler axle. Every thing else was too wide, too narrow, or off on bolt pattern. 

 

I've been looking for better than 7 years now at MJs XJs, the only rear axles I've seen are- AMC20, D35, D44, 8.25s that would have been factory.

 

No, I don't care who you are, how much money you have, automakers do NOT make one-offs.  

 

I photo-doc everything. 

 

I've asked you 3 times now to post pics. You post from an Iphone, you have a camera. 

 

Back it up, post pics

 

 

[jeeppapa]

I promised I would be nice here.............
 
Before I chose my rear axle I looked for about 6 months, searching everyone's list of axles, WMS to WMS of 60", every make and model of any year. '77 Lincoln Versailles, IIRC, was the one that I could pin down. 9" Ford with 60" WMS and 5 on 4.5 -- Other than a factory AMC/Chrysler axle. Every thing else was too wide, too narrow, or off on bolt pattern. 
 
I've been looking for better than 7 years now at MJs XJs, the only rear axles I've seen are- AMC20, D35, D44, 8.25s that would have been factory.
 
No, I don't care who you are, how much money you have, automakers do NOT make one-offs.  
 
I photo-doc everything. 
 
I've asked you 3 times now to post pics. You post from an Iphone, you have a camera. 
 
Back it up, post pics
 
 

You may have to look harder.
Buddy don’t get to twisted up. You sound like your getting irritated. Did you actually read the post of how those axcels could have gotten under it? It does sound like you have a lot of pics thou if you document everything. Do you understand how a car can be ordered or what could could be put on it at the dealership before an owner takes position. That could have led this guy to believe they were factory installed. That’s all he said so how ever they got under there they were there when he picked up the car. And yes you can do it if you knew how. My only example of this I have seen personally was my father. He knew exactly what he wanted even if it wasn’t in the brochure. If the salesman said it wasn’t available he had the guy dig deeper because he knew it could be ordered because he built them. Hell he had one salesman call the factory. And yes most of the Buick’s with the truck positracts on the line went overseas to Saudi Arabia. He would dicker with the salesman get a price set then reveal that he worked for GM and could get the GM discount. They hated him. Now just because you haven’t found what you’ve looked for really has no bearing on anything. Hell it took me 10 years to find a Lund fairly cheep and that was an accident. I found it 3 hrs before my flight to LA left, but I jumped through hoops and got it. Dealing with people that feel they have to be rite and correct about everything is difficult. But that’s nothing That needs to be catered too. But I’ll send pics as soon as I’m at the property again. Have you ever worked in an auto factory? Or do you just know what you’ve read in a brochure or online. And yes early Cherokees could get Dana 44s the ones I saw were an 86 and an 87 Wagoneer pioneers with a tow package. Did you know in some country’s u could get a bench seat in a cherokee? And cars don’t have to be a one off they can be just rare and hard to find. Please don’t try to tell me what can or can’t be done at an automotive plant because I’ve seen it. Go try and find a 4 cylinder 76 Vega with a Positrac under it. That would be hard too. Finding the rarer cars are harder in the rusty states. CA has got some high mileage cars in the junkyards, without any rust on the bodies. If they can pass smog their on the road. If not there in the junkyard because no one wants them. I know were 3 MJs are in yards and 1 white 4x4 Olympic package MJ 2 blocks from me just sitting in a field. that I can’t get my hands on, yet. I spend at least 1-3 days in a jk a week. I’m at it everyday one way or the other. It’s my passion and hobby hunting up these rare parts and cars, l retired that’s what I do for fun. Tomorrow I’m going to the Grayhound to pickup 4boxes of Jeep parts from KC. Hard to find parts like sets of original MJ buckets and the console with the bezel. Sport steering wheels gauge full Renex gauge clusters lots of stuff especially tweed seat covers and door panel. I find allot of things things that are hard to find. It’s what I do. There is a 74 international Scott at Muncie JK in Kansas City KS with the axcels still on it. FYI The only thing I haven’t been able to find is the cargo light, but I will. Now I know where theres a D 60 under an MJ if you pay me for my time and shipping I’ll get it to you and your search will be over. Case in point if you have the money, time and knowledge you can get what you want went it comes to cars. I’m not wealthy either far from it. But I have fun. And frankly I don’t have to prove anything to anyone at my age, nothing. I proved it to myself and thats what counts. Not trying to pick any fights here but you seem to have an axel to grind.


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[89eliminator]

your next response should be with a effing picture of this holy grail factory dana 60.  

 

till then, you will be considered a troll.  posting a wall of text doesnt make people think otherwise.  

[89eliminator]

16 hours ago, DirtyComanche said:

 

Both of those options likely exist and were installed in MJ Comanches.  When they say "XJ Metric Ton Truck" they mean Comanche, as they were using the MJ designation for military stuff because they're Dana/Spicer and not AMC/Jeep.  Somebody on here posted an 86 MJ with a D44 in it that appeared to be factory by all indications, yet it was not the same D44 that was used in the 87-92 Metric Tonne MJs.  I bet the BOM quite possibly would have matched that first one.  Yes, we commonly believe all 86 Metric Tonnes got the AMC 20, but there is likelihood that some got a D44, but few enough that disorganized AMC never included it in their parts manuals.  AMC was notorious for bolting in whatever was around, switching suppliers mid year or midday, buying whatever fell off the truck, etc.  Also dates from Dana/Spicer don't always line up with what the vehicle manufacturer uses, as Dana will build axles in batches to supply production for an assumed timespan, which may not be the actual timespan.

 

i knew they existed, i more so laughing at the term xj metric ton truck.  didnt know that dana couldn't call comanches, MJs.

[89eliminator]

6 hours ago, jeeppapa said:

 Now honestly before you call a person out publicly on BS you should really get educated yourself on production and sales.

 

trust me, I'm educated...

[Jeep Driver]

4 hours ago, jeeppapa said:

You may have to look harder.
Buddy don’t get to twisted up. You sound like your getting irritated. Did you actually read the post of how those axcels could have gotten under it? It does sound like you have a lot of pics thou if you document everything. Do you understand how a car can be ordered or what could could be put on it at the dealership before an owner takes position. That could have led this guy to believe they were factory installed. That’s all he said so how ever they got under there they were there when he picked up the car. And yes you can do it if you knew how. My only example of this I have seen personally was my father. He knew exactly what he wanted even if it wasn’t in the brochure. If the salesman said it wasn’t available he had the guy dig deeper because he knew it could be ordered because he built them. Hell he had one salesman call the factory. And yes most of the Buick’s with the truck positracts on the line went overseas to Saudi Arabia. He would dicker with the salesman get a price set then reveal that he worked for GM and could get the GM discount. They hated him. Now just because you haven’t found what you’ve looked for really has no bearing on anything. Hell it took me 10 years to find a Lund fairly cheep and that was an accident. I found it 3 hrs before my flight to LA left, but I jumped through hoops and got it. Dealing with people that feel they have to be rite and correct about everything is difficult. But that’s nothing That needs to be catered too. But I’ll send pics as soon as I’m at the property again. Have you ever worked in an auto factory? Or do you just know what you’ve read in a brochure or online. And yes early Cherokees could get Dana 44s the ones I saw were an 86 and an 87 Wagoneer pioneers with a tow package. Did you know in some country’s u could get a bench seat in a cherokee? And cars don’t have to be a one off they can be just rare and hard to find. Please don’t try to tell me what can or can’t be done at an automotive plant because I’ve seen it. Go try and find a 4 cylinder 76 Vega with a Positrac under it. That would be hard too. Finding the rarer cars are harder in the rusty states. CA has got some high mileage cars in the junkyards, without any rust on the bodies. If they can pass smog their on the road. If not there in the junkyard because no one wants them. I know were 3 MJs are in yards and 1 white 4x4 Olympic package MJ 2 blocks from me just sitting in a field. that I can’t get my hands on, yet. I spend at least 1-3 days in a jk a week. I’m at it everyday one way or the other. It’s my passion and hobby hunting up these rare parts and cars, l retired that’s what I do for fun. Tomorrow I’m going to the Grayhound to pickup 4boxes of Jeep parts from KC. Hard to find parts like sets of original MJ buckets and the console with the bezel. Sport steering wheels gauge full Renex gauge clusters lots of stuff especially tweed seat covers and door panel. I find allot of things things that are hard to find. It’s what I do. There is a 74 international Scott at Muncie JK in Kansas City KS with the axcels still on it. FYI The only thing I haven’t been able to find is the cargo light, but I will. Now I know where theres a D 60 under an MJ if you pay me for my time and shipping I’ll get it to you and your search will be over. Case in point if you have the money, time and knowledge you can get what you want went it comes to cars. I’m not wealthy either far from it. But I have fun. And frankly I don’t have to prove anything to anyone at my age, nothing. I proved it to myself and thats what counts. Not trying to pick any fights here but you seem to have an axel to grind.


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I ain't your buddy, you have no idea what 'twisted' is.

 

You want to go around and tug on everyone's junk, that's your business. 

 

............man I really have to hold myself back...............

 

Last time I'll read your tripe. 

[Pete M]

this topic is going around in circles so I'm locking it until someone can get a pic of the axle, or build sheet, or something.  

[HOrnbrod]

Glad I went to bed early last night....    

[Eagle]

9 hours ago, jeeppapa said:

Well I’m officially calling you out on your ignorance of the automobile industry and the way dealerships work.
 

 

Now THAT is really funny ...