SBpunk Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I purchased from GS awhile back and can't complain. Got the MT with an extra inch arch and military wrapped. Paired with some OME shocks and just put on some Iron Man 4x4 Fab adjustable shackles. Back rides better than the front now. Got just under 2 inches of lift from factory height with just the springs. Keep in mind too my axle is an 8.8 so the tube is a bit larger. Didn't account for that. Sent from my PH-1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Chiming in again. I picked up a set of GSC-571 leafs from General Spring... 1700lb capacity with military wrap. Ordered on November 27th, Delivered January 3rd. I gained roughly 2 inches of height from my severely sagged springs. (31.5 to 33.75 ground to flare). I do have a fiberglass top on it with some tools in the bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Hudy said: Chiming in again. I picked up a set of GSC-571 leafs from General Spring... 1700lb capacity with military wrap. Ordered on November 27th, Delivered January 3rd. I gained roughly 2 inches of height from my severely sagged springs. (31.5 to 33.75 ground to flare). I do have a fiberglass top on it with some tools in the bed. Height from ground to flare is meaningless, because tire size and even tire pressure affects the measurement. A better measurement is the axle/hub centerline to the bottom of the flare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Eagle said: Height from ground to flare is meaningless, because tire size and even tire pressure affects the measurement. A better measurement is the axle/hub centerline to the bottom of the flare. Not meaningless in Hudy's case, assuming he changed the springs only and left everything else (tires, tire pressure, shackles, etc.) alone. He gained a 2" lift from swapping in the MT springs and doing nothing else. That's exactly the same lift I got with the same springs and measuring the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnj92131 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Eagle said: Height from ground to flare is meaningless, because tire size and even tire pressure affects the measurement. A better measurement is the axle/hub centerline to the bottom of the flare. So correct me if I a wrong Eagle. By going from the axle/hub to the centerline of the bottom of the flare - all this eliminates is part of the tire size and the deflection from tire pressure???? It may eliminate both tire size and wheel size by 50% or so. Right? But if we are talking simple before and after only a spring change, why isn't the fender flare to ground change a valid indication of the spring lift. The spring is the only thing that has changed right???, Even if Comanche "A" has 31 inch tires and weak old stock rear springs and Comanche "B has stock 225/75x15 tires and weak old stock rear springs the fender flare to ground measurement should be useful as long as the "new springs" are the only change in the before and after measurement. No?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 19 hours ago, johnj92131 said: So correct me if I a wrong Eagle. By going from the axle/hub to the centerline of the bottom of the flare - all this eliminates is part of the tire size and the deflection from tire pressure???? It may eliminate both tire size and wheel size by 50% or so. Right? But if we are talking simple before and after only a spring change, why isn't the fender flare to ground change a valid indication of the spring lift. The spring is the only thing that has changed right???, Even if Comanche "A" has 31 inch tires and weak old stock rear springs and Comanche "B has stock 225/75x15 tires and weak old stock rear springs the fender flare to ground measurement should be useful as long as the "new springs" are the only change in the before and after measurement. No?? Measuring from the axle centerline to the flare (body) doesn't eliminate half the tire and wheel diameter, it eliminates all of it. Doing the measurement from the axle to the body means the axle can be sitting on jackstands, with no tires or wheels on the vehicle, and you're measuring where the springs carry the body relative to the axle. Yes, assuming the tires and wheels haven't changed measuring from the ground does provide a before and after differential -- but it doesn't provide any baseline for establishing whether or not the before measurement indicates sagged springs, or (if so) how much. All you know is that you changed the ride height by 'X' inches. Example -- a number of years ago I fixed up an '88 XJ for a former girlfriend. The rear was sagging, so I did a home-brew AAL by adding a second XJ main leaf with the eyes cut off on each side. The gross change was 1-1/4" of lift. But, when the dimension from the axle to the flare was measured after the "lift," it measured 17-1/2 inches. Stock for an XJ in the rear was 17 inches, so I had taken out 3/4 of an inch of sag, and actually lifted the rear only a half inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnj92131 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 OK, makes sense. Axel to body is the factory correct measurement for lift. Flares to ground measurements include spring sag. Not a valid measure of Spring lift alone. Important distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sam Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 So I made a video showing some things I ran into with the spring......https://youtu.be/4aUsUiwlxrk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Weak audio Sam, but good video and valid points. Have you called Joe and reported these problems? Or sent him the video? Looks like quality control at General Springs has slipped a bit since I ordered mine years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sam Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 3 hours ago, HOrnbrod said: Weak audio Sam, but good video and valid points. Have you called Joe and reported these problems? Or sent him the video? Looks like quality control at General Springs has slipped a bit since I ordered mine years ago. Weak as in volume not loud? Or my use of verbal crutches? FYI you can also turn on closed captioning if you cannot understand what I am saying. I have not sent this along to them - I only noticed the one spring not having the bushing pressed in correct last weekend while painting. I took photos too to send so they don't need to sit through my video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kickin’Chicken Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sir Sam said: Weak as in volume not loud? Or my use of verbal crutches? FYI you can also turn on closed captioning if you cannot understand what I am saying. I have not sent this along to them - I only noticed the one spring not having the bushing pressed in correct last weekend while painting. I took photos too to send so they don't need to sit through my video. I heard you loud and clear through my iPhone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Barely audible on my PC. Probably my lame speakers...... Yes, GS springs should know about that stuff to correct it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sam Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 Height comparison: HOrnBrod turn up the volume this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 don't static height differences usually mean very little with springs? what is the intended purpose of this particular video? either way, I can hear it just fine on my laptop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sam Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Pete M said: don't static height differences usually mean very little with springs? what is the intended purpose of this particular video? either way, I can hear it just fine on my laptop. Pete, good point. It's hard to say anything about what the actual height will be once installed. My point behind this video was to show what my old springs were like, and what the new ones are sitting at. Later when I have the axle installed I can measure from center to flare for comparison. When I was looking at my options this would have been good information to have to make a comparison against my Jeep height. But I'll need to wait a little while to get the axle in place and measure how the Jeep sits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 36 minutes ago, Sir Sam said: Later when I have the axle installed I can measure from center to flare for comparison. Just for reference, I got a full 2" using that type measurement when I installed mine years ago. Then I added OME 930 front coils to bring up the front end where I wanted. Over the next year the rear springs settled down about an inch, so I had to add a set of extended shackles to get the rear end back up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sam Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 Springs in and axle sitting on springs. From center to flare measures 19" for me. I was kinda hoping for more like 21" in this configuration. Since its not welding I could go SOA and raise it like 6"......which is way more than I want, or I get chevy drop shackles to raise it more. I do have a heavy wildernest in the back plus a JK D44 front and other crap, but I'd say its a fair load compared to what I'll have on when camping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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