Jeep Driver Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzimm Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Nope no no Nope No.. NO.. I will stick with my 4.0s that come with a nice Jeep body. Why did they make it look like a RR Defender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I like it.Just needs a Honda EU2000i in the back to recharge it while you're driving. :dunce:More seriously. I think in the modern world it needs a better cage and harnesses if you're not going to have airbags and a billion other safety features. I also worry about the NVH, and the top leaking both water and air (more noise). Being aluminum is great, totally on board with that, but I have a hate for exposed rivets when they are not needed. Range isn't enough, even with the big battery, IMHO, and I'm betting it would drop considerably if you were even towing a small trailer (even a little 'glass camping trailer like a Boler).Given he doesn't plan to sell many, it might work out. I assume his target audience is actually upper end of rich yuppy urban males that want a tough looking vehicle to drive to Ikea on Sunday without the perceived environmental impact of an actual SUV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I assume his target audience is actually upper end of rich yuppy urban males that want a tough looking vehicle to drive to Ikea on Sunday without the perceived environmental impact of an actual SUV. Very perceptive Dirty. I agree. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogmorgo Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 It's cool, but I'd never own this one. With several European countries working on banning the sale of gas and diesel vehicles by 2040, it'll happen this side of the pond sooner or later. There have been a few reasonably successful electric car attempts, but not much in the way of trucks or other utility vehicles. This is a first step in getting there, which is cool, but it's still got a long way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 Wheel motors are nothing new, they've been around a while, see below- Most electric people are shortsighted, notice the designer's comment in the first minute or two of the vid in the first post, 'combustion is not the future'. Well, neither is 1200lbs of lithium ion either. I mow with a small Kubota, full throttle for 3 hours and I burn 1.5 gallons of diesel, there is no reason that one could not combine four wheel motors with a small diesel gen and get in the neighborhood of 200 miles per gallon with a much smaller bank of batteries. No reason other than the stupidity of designers/engineers. Electric is the $#!&, no doubt about that, and you can image what hot rodders would eventually do with them, 1000hp/tq would be the norm along with neck breaking 6 second quarter mile times.......no doubt. see here- https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/153697-mercedes-benz-sls-amg-electric-drive-a-740-hp-super-sports-car-with-one-electric-motor-per-wheel BTW, imagine that 4X with wheel motors, very low center, all the weight at the wheel/tire, $#!&loads of torque on demand. Traction control would be taken to a whole new level. Other thing these people never consider, electric motors get hot, real hot, real fast, you'll need to blanket that motor with a cooler........water, pumps, radiators.............all extra strain on the electric system. Yeah, he might tool around his farm alright, but if you ever took that thing out for some serious 4x...........heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Did my eyes deceive me, or does that ... thing ...have a tachometer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Did my eyes deceive me, or does that ... thing ...have a tachometer? I've assumed it's an ammeter or charge level indicator. :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Did my eyes deceive me, or does that ... thing ...have a tachometer? Looks like an 8K RPM tach to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Hmm. Weird. The fact it apparently has 3 gears leaves me wondering a bit too. I assumed it was direct drive to the portals with a motor at each end of the vehicle, but maybe it's not configured quite like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 That's the exact same shift indicator I have for my AW4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 200mph Mustang, you can get a slight glimpse of the electric motor. I suspect some of these electrics simply replace the combustion engine before the trans.........everything else is straight forward. I suspect this is the case with the 4X. Electric people apparently don't like giving details. Stuffy people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 Here's your answers- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Electric people apparently don't like giving details. Stuffy people. It's funny, because the guys doing high end stuff basically have their lips sewed shut for the actual electrical components and function, save for throwing out some buzz words. Then there's DIY guys that are straight up just bolting an electric motor to whatever trans is in there and going... I remember reading a build thread on an electric XJ (might even have been a MJ actually) years back that was straight up DIY using a large amount of the factory components. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 More answers, tach drive shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogmorgo Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 If it does have multiple gears, the tach might be critical. It would be pretty difficult to judge the motor speed by ear. And yeah, using off-the-shelf components is usually cheaper than designing new ones, especially for a first-generation vehicle. The first Tesla was really just a kinda hokey electric Lotus Elise, and look what they're doing now, ten years later. Hopefully this one can hang in there long enough to get there too. The cageyness in giving out details is a bit of a tech-industry thing. You're often building something pretty innovative, and you don't want a competitor getting their hands on the nitty-gritty and getting to market first. The other thing that happens is the marketing people don't know all the tech specs, but the engineers are not always the people you want talking to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 The other thing that happens is the marketing people don't know all the tech specs, but the engineers are not always the people you want talking to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Warrior Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 It's funny, because the guys doing high end stuff basically have their lips sewed shut for the actual electrical components and function, save for throwing out some buzz words. Then there's DIY guys that are straight up just bolting an electric motor to whatever trans is in there and going... I remember reading a build thread on an electric XJ (might even have been a MJ actually) years back that was straight up DIY using a large amount of the factory components. That guys work gave me hope for the future of electric cars....the big manufacturers haven't done the same. http://driveev.com/jeepev/home.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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