lift to fit 33/10.50

[4.0forlife]

hey guys.  well I'm around that point where I'm thinking about lifts for my 88 pioneer.  I'm looking to clear 33/10.50s on newer cherokee rims (if that helps).  i was wonder what your guys input would be.  thanks in advance. 

[Incommando]

4.5" is the most common answer for that. It depends on what you want to do with your truck. You could get away with less if off-road flex wasn't important. You made need wheel spacers as factory rims use like 5.25" and around 4" works better. Cheap black steel rims are a good option.

[4.0forlife]

It may see some offroad but more road action then anything. What brand would you suggest?

[gogmorgo]

I'm planning something similar... for eventually. I'm wanting 32x10.5's on stock rims, but I'm having trouble finding a severe snow rated tire in that size, so may end up having to go with 33x10.5's. Supposedly a 32 will fit on a stock truck, with some rubbing, but I was still wanting to shoot for the 4-4.5" lift neighbourhood.

As far as rear springs go, so far it's a toss-up between the Hell Creek 4.5" full leaf pack, or the General Springs military wrap metric ton springs (as advertised in the vendor section) paired with some longer shackles. As I'm leaning towards the latter, I haven't put much thought into front springs yet, as I'm not quite sure where it'll end up, and how much lift I'll need to keep the factory rake. The main appeal to the General Springs metric ton's for me is that I'd be able to get them sooner and run them till they settle in while saving up for everything else, find out where they put my rear height, and then order everything else. Also since I'm not sure I want to go all the way to 4.5, I'll be able to fine-tune that with shackle length to stay around 4 inch, I hope. This should more or less maintain factory ride quality as well.

But that's just my rambling thoughts. I've got a long way to go before any of this happens.

[4.0forlife]

i thought about the pieced together lift on this forum. but some of the pieces are not available any more and others are way up in price. I also thought about rough country's 4.5 inch lift. Any one have an rc lift. Any input on them?

[Incommando]

Rough Country has a poor rep. I went that way on my first MJ and hated it. They get their name from their ride quality.  :rotf:    Try ZONE for a decent off-the-shelf lift kit at a budget friendly price. They are a division of BDS and their rep is good. 

http://zoneoffroad.com/zone-offroad-products-4-4.5in-suspension-lift-kit-jeep-comanche/j29

[4.0forlife]

Thanks from what I've read on bds they're supposed to be a good lift company. I didn't know they were linked to zone. And for 50 bucks over the rc lift you really can't complain about price on it.

[Dom U]

Check out the lifts from BDS, I agree zones is probably the best off the shelf kit, only thing I'd prefer is the rear to have no lift from shackles and only the add a leaf. For a little bit more the BDS kits look okay. I'll be able to say more this weekend as I'll be helping a buddy install a 2" BDS lift. For around $580 it was a complete kit with adjustable lca. Only thing it's missing is track bar

[Crash]

Hellcreek leafs in your flavor of choice combo with extended shackle.

I wouldn't run anything lower quality than RE in the front. That leaves many options though.

The RE 4.5 coils can be had on amazon for about 85-90 to your door.

For anything above 3" I recommend better than factory control arms up front.

4.5 or more, definitely consider drop brackets. Or long arms.

[4.0forlife]

what about a rustys 4.5 inch lift its a good bit more price wise.  but it comes with new leafs and all.  anyone running that with an opinion?

[shelbyluvv]

what about a rustys 4.5 inch lift its a good bit more price wise. but it comes with new leafs and all. anyone running that with an opinion?

No! His packs have a history of busting the main leaf. Also he is a crook. cRusty's rates right up there with Rocky Road. Google them and you'll see his $#!&ty reviews. Build your own kit. Use either Hell Creek or General full spring packs. I prefer HC as I have them and know they're good leaf packs.

[mikekaz1]

I have 3" lift up front will hell creek leafs and 1" shackle. and fit 33x12.5 on aftermarket rims ~3.75-4" backspace with minimal  full crank control arm rub

[4.0forlife]

do you rub at full lock with a flexed tire in the wheel well?

[mikekaz1]

Dunno. I don't take it offroad. I'd imagine it would rub without sway bars. Here's a decent side pic of it

 

[4.0forlife]

Are those bushwacker flares?

[shelbyluvv]

Those are Napier Flares

[mikekaz1]

Yup the Napiers. IMO their better then bushwacker

[Incommando]

I'm planning something similar... for eventually. I'm wanting 32x10.5's on stock rims, but I'm having trouble finding a severe snow rated tire in that size, so may end up having to go with 33x10.5's. Supposedly a 32 will fit on a stock truck, with some rubbing, but I was still wanting to shoot for the 4-4.5" lift neighbourhood.

As far as rear springs go, so far it's a toss-up between the Hell Creek 4.5" full leaf pack, or the General Springs military wrap metric ton springs (as advertised in the vendor section) paired with some longer shackles. As I'm leaning towards the latter, I haven't put much thought into front springs yet, as I'm not quite sure where it'll end up, and how much lift I'll need to keep the factory rake. The main appeal to the General Springs metric ton's for me is that I'd be able to get them sooner and run them till they settle in while saving up for everything else, find out where they put my rear height, and then order everything else. Also since I'm not sure I want to go all the way to 4.5, I'll be able to fine-tune that with shackle length to stay around 4 inch, I hope. This should more or less maintain factory ride quality as well.

But that's just my rambling thoughts. I've got a long way to go before any of this happens.

Have you looked into 265/75/16 for a severe winter rated tire? Just a thought

[shelbyluvv]

265/75R16 on 4.5" lift

 

[mikekaz1]

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Firestone&tireModel=Winterforce+UV&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=675SR6FWFUV&tab=Specs

 

265/75r16 (31.8x10.5R16) for $388 set of 4. they are AWESOME tires i run them on my WJ year round, fantastic in the snow and dirt.

 

 

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Firestone&tireModel=Winterforce+UV&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=675SR5FWFUV&tab=Specs

 

265/75R15 (30.8x10.5R15) for $340 set of 4

[gogmorgo]

Can't run a 265/75/16 on my stock rims, now, can I. But yeah, I've thought about it. BFG's ko2 is available in a 33x10.5, and it's snow rated, but I haven't found any others, and we've got the KO2's on a couple trucks at work, and they don't do so well on the gravel out here, keep getting rocks poked through them, leaving pretty big holes, otherwise that might be my choice because they're decent everywhere else, although I don't much care for the way they look. I'd much rather go up to a 33 than down to a 31. Hopefully by the time I've got everything for the lift and regear sorted out there are more options on the market.