ScottJeep Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 So the lug nuts for the factory turbine wheels.... appear to be/are possibly.... somewhat unique. They are a bit taller. If I try to use a standard lug it's really hard to get a true lug wrench on them. Have MOST but not all I need. Standard "mag wheel" lugs are too tall to fit under the turbine wheel center cap. Anyone solved this issue already?? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokermjcomanche Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Go to the local parts store and look through the dorman/ motormite book . Look up the lug thread size and in the back of the book all of that size is listed . Find ones that are a bit taller and youre good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottJeep Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 Thanks for the lead..... I think I've found the winner! http://www.dormanproducts.com/p-5536-711-206.aspx?year=1989&make=Jeep&model=Comanche&parttype=Wheel%20Nut&origin=YMM Looks VERY close to the ones that I have that are working well. Thanks again. Sold my XJ this week so the MJ is getting ALOT of attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 So the lug nuts for the factory turbine wheels.... appear to be/are possibly.... somewhat unique. Nope, they are (were) not unique. I bought my '88 XJ new -- it came from the factory with standard AMC 1/2x20 lug nuts with the stainless steel, crimped-on caps. A long time ago I saw some that were the same type (crimped-on caps) but a little taller -- but they were aftermarket, at a Pep Boys. And I've been back several times hoping to find them again, because I liked them. Alas, they have disappeared. "He who hesitates is lost." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottJeep Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 Think I am going to actually go with THESE http://www.ebay.com/itm/191326467479?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Good price. Perfect size @ 1" Since there is a Summit close by (~45mins away ) I should have them in like two days after ordering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokermjcomanche Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Scottjeep where do you live? I'm in Youngstown . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
az comanches Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 When I put turbines on my 88, I used the lugnuts off the stock white spoke wheels. The crimped lugs had been replaced long ago with some from Discount Tire and they worked just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddFoot Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 god scott i just throwed away 20 of those. on the turbine wheels you can use just about any 1/2 20 lug nut as long as its under 19mm or 3/4. the 21mm usally are too long and a little fat. just order gorilla nuts and never buy another set. no caps no breaking tops off super beef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glundblad Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 So the lug nuts for the factory turbine wheels.... appear to be/are possibly.... somewhat unique. Nope, they are (were) not unique. I bought my '88 XJ new -- it came from the factory with standard AMC 1/2x20 lug nuts with the stainless steel, crimped-on caps. A long time ago I saw some that were the same type (crimped-on caps) but a little taller -- but they were aftermarket, at a Pep Boys. And I've been back several times hoping to find them again, because I liked them. Alas, they have disappeared. "He who hesitates is lost." The key here is that they were/are stainless. Most aftermarkets seem to be chrome plated steel. With a little patience, I was able to find NOS factory on ebay a couple years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 You can still buy the OEM replacements at Pep Boys -- just not the longer/deeper versions of them. I agree on chrome-plated. They're okay in places like Tucson, but here in the rust belt it only take one winter to kill them deader than last week's fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakewalter Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The lug nuts that are supposed to go on the turbine wheels have a long shoulder that fit between the rim and the studs. Using the wrong lug nuts will cause damage to the rims. I can’t remember the company who made the wheels for these trucks but I’ll take a picture of one and post it tomorrow after I get back from church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The lug nuts that are supposed to go on the turbine wheels have a long shoulder that fit between the rim and the studs. This is absolutely incorrect. I have four or five sets of the factory turbine wheels, and I've been driving on them for 25 years. They use the AMC-standard 1/2x20 lug nuts with the tapered seat. Like these: NOT these: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakewalter Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Image Not Found The shoulder or collar fills the void between the wheel stud and the rim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I don't know what that is or where you got it, but I have the Jeep factory parts listing up in front of me as I type. For the years 1987 - 1990, which includes the turbine wheels, the parts manual shows me the base steel wheel, the triangular slotted steel wheel, the honeycomb alloy wheel, the 5-spoke alloy wheel, the Gambler alloy wheel, and the turbine alloy wheel. For ALL of those, the parts listing shows the same lug nut. There is only one -- and the one in your photo isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 ^^ This. ALL 84-01 XJ/MJ models with factory wheels, including the 10-spoke turbine wheels, used the same tapered seat lug nut, p/n J4006956. The only Jeep models that did not use these nuts in this time period were the full-size J-series trucks and Grand Wagoneers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzzzBear Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Anyone who would want a bunch of the Lugnuts, (Like in the Group of 5 Photo) I'm switching mine over to a taller Lugnut. Would be willing to send my old ones (not excessively beaten) to you. Just would like to be reimbursed for the Postage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottJeep Posted September 22, 2014 Author Share Posted September 22, 2014 strokermjcomanche... I live North of Atlanta...Gwinnett County. Sorry I didn't response sooner...yesterday was a 400 mile "junk yard adventure" for MJ/early XJ parts. It's how I fund this thing. Appreciate all the follow up posts. The "lastest project" has been the normal fun of one thing after another. The Summit lugs should be here next day or so. Waiting on them and the new coil spring isolators to put on the 2" front lift springs and the new tires on the turbines. I'll post up pictures of the Summit lugs. They were the best buy that I found and could get quickly at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakewalter Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 There is only one -- and the one in your photo isn't it. Gambler, I’m not sure what you met by your question. As I mentioned earlier my turbine wheels have a gap between the rim and the stud that is why they need this type of lug nut. About a year ago I lost one while rotating my tires and to order one. We have an old fashion parts store that was able to locate it for me. Do your turbines have the same gap? I took the picture that way so you could also see the gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I don't see any excess gap in your picture - they look just like my turbine wheels. That's normally how any Jeep factory alloy wheel fits around the wheel stud. Jeep factory wheels are all hub centric, not lug centric. In a hub centric wheel the wheel centerbore fits tightly around the raised ring on the hub. This is how the wheel is centered and the hub supports the weight of the vehicle. The wheel studs and nuts are there to secure the wheel to the mounting plate and are anchored by the matched tapered mating surfaces on the lug nut and wheel stud hole. There should be no "shoulder" below the lug nut tapered seat or they probably won't seat properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakewalter Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Apparently no one has had any trouble with the lugs that they are using so there is no reason for anymore conversation on this issue. Thank you for the information. Jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottJeep Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 Well they got here quick they fit perfect..... still have to remeasure the backs....to make sure there is enough stud/thread ratio The old ones actually had a portion at the top with no threads...really think I'll find that all is fine. and really happy with the turbines....and how they look... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasbulliwagen Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 With the standard lug nuts, if you pry the stainless cap off, you probably would have has the right clearance for your center cap, that and with the caps off the nut is perfect for an 18mm socket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 With the standard lug nuts, if you pry the stainless cap off, you probably would have has the right clearance for your center cap, that and with the caps off the nut is perfect for an 18mm socket. I'm ahead of the curve -- I have a bunch around here with the stainless caps "pre-removed." It's an inevitable result of "technicians" pounding them on and off with impact guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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