cz777 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/additive/e15/ this will kill gas mileage [app.22%]and fuel systems like rubber lines etc ...i heard some say flex-fuel will work BUT ....this is crap, the fuel injectors will die faster because water /alcohol break up to other chemicals ..plus more heat ........if missing water etc in the oil .....more crap to deal with!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowey Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Well.. lets start with the fact that the E15 requirement was already dropped for FY12... So its not happening for now. Victory for oil companies.... There hasn't been natural rubber in fuel system components in US made vehicles since the early 80's, so there is another myth perpetrated by oil companies. fuel mileage... yes, if you are running straight gas.. then you will see a reduction, but not 22%.. Think 3-4%.. I would love to see a reliable source stating 22% on E15. The system will run cooler.. not hotter. Ethanol has a lower amount of BTU's in it compared to dino gas, hence the reason you will get worse fuel mileage. The converse to that is that it burns cooler. Where is the water going to come from?? Ethanol isn't some magic chemical that water just jumps from space to get to.. Ever run a bottle of HEET in a car??? Take a look at the first ingredient... guess what.. its alcohol. After that, you kind of tail off into non-sense, so its hard to understand what exactly you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJCrusader Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 :agree: From what I've read, ethanol seems to be a fairly logical substitute in gasoline. Of course, the real effects of its use won't be visible for 10+ years I would imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 The stats reported for years are 20-25% drop in available power and MPG over dino fuel? 3 to 4 percent is a lower number than is generally reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJCrusader Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I recently drove to Minnesota and back from California. In driving through South Dakota (apparently big proponents of ethanol) I filled up twice, once in Park Rapids and once in Souix Falls. I didn't notice any big drop in gas mileage. And since I track my gas mileage, I think I would have noticed a 20-25% loss. And I refuse to believe that if ethanol really dropped gas mileage by 25% that we would spend so much money on it as an addative to fuel. If saving resources and money was the goal of using ethanol, why not just make gas tanks 25% smaller? Adding something that saves $.25/gal (or whatever it is) wouldn't be cost effective if you would need to fill up say 5 times a month instead of 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvusse Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Also, if you READ the article, E15 is not ALLOWED to be used in among other things any vehicle made before 2000 due to emissions. That includes all our Comanches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sam Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Ethanol is a crock and is popular in the corn states. The future of ethanol is best used as an additive in gasoline. The only people that really fill up with ethanol on a regular basis are the guys running high performance forced induction sports cars. Ethanol does great under those conditions because of the high octane level. Essentially they get government subsidized race fuel. Ethanol is a crock. If you really want to talk about alternative fuel think CNG. It's everywhere, its cheap, any SI engine can run it, its clean, its domestic.......T Boone Pickens got one thing right.......Natural Gas. Anyways, I'll get off my soap box now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowey Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 The stats reported for years are 20-25% drop in available power and MPG over dino fuel? 3 to 4 percent is a lower number than is generally reported. Not for low concentration blends. 20-25% is the number generally foisted by oil company 'research' against using high concentration blends..like E85. We could spend a week and a day debating this number anyway. DOT used it as part of a worse case scenario to prepare people for it. For me the mileage loss is around 12-16% depending on the time of the year in my FFV. Of course living in Illinois lots of time the price spread can be 25-40%, so I still come out way ahead. 3-4% is much closer to the truth for low concentration blends like E10 or E15. Most of the midwest has been running them for 20+ years without even knowing it. You will notice a bigger change in MPG with the switch from Summer blends to Winter blends, than you will going from E0 to E10. It always seems to be someone from an area with a HUGE oil economy that wants to claim foolish numbers. Like I posted before... lets see some legit numbers showing 20-25% on low concentration blends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowey Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Ethanol is a crock and is popular in the corn states. The future of ethanol is best used as an additive in gasoline. The only people that really fill up with ethanol on a regular basis are the guys running high performance forced induction sports cars. Ethanol does great under those conditions because of the high octane level. Essentially they get government subsidized race fuel. Ethanol is a crock. If you really want to talk about alternative fuel think CNG. It's everywhere, its cheap, any SI engine can run it, its clean, its domestic.......T Boone Pickens got one thing right.......Natural Gas. Anyways, I'll get off my soap box now. Thank you very much for illustrating my point. Colorado has a BIG natural gas economy.. so of course its more popular with CO residents... T Boone Pickens is up to his neck in the NG industry.. Big surprise! he is going to push a fuel source that is going to benefit him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Automan2164 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 At the public works department I work for, we are currently exploring the feasibility of propane. They want to get one truck to start, but I think we might push to switch the police fleet. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Warrior Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I have noticed a drop in fuel economy in my wife's Camry and my TJ when running gas vs. E10. Her Camry usually gets 30.5mpg highway on gas; throw E10 in the tank and it will only get 27mpg. My TJ is every worse. I mange 14mpg highway on gas and 10-11mpg on E10. I don't know much about the specifications on either fuel, just my personal results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camjeep3 Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 At the public works department I work for, we are currently exploring the feasibility of propane. They want to get one truck to start, but I think we might push to switch the police fleet. Rob My city is building two natural gas fueling stations, One being paid for by the city and the other by the natural gas company. I wouldnt be surprised if the city switched their fleets over to it as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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