88mjmanche Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 a company should me solid lowers wiked bural Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfpdm Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 RRO designs are usually good, it's their Quality Control and Customer Service that is a joke. Just look at the picture you posted. Image Not Found A company that makes a product should be able to make that product exactly the same time and time again like a cookie cutter. The arms in the pic should be a mirror image of each other but, they are not. I've experienced this first hand with their drop brackets. Poor quality control. Having to alter somthing that is made specifically for your truck is not what you pay for. They may have a Lifetime warranty but good luck trying to make them honor it. Search the web and you'll find alot of the same stories about them. Their negative feedback was so bad on Ebay, that they closed the account and opened a new account. what year tj upper control arms to look for? does it matter what size motor? if i can find a pair cheap enough ill change mine. i really sick of the poly urathane bushings in stock control arms! 97-06. Not sure on the Rubi's and unlimiteds though, but all others should be the same. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 I hate paying extra for a name, but I'm happy to pay for a proven product from a company with a proven track record. Plus there are plenty of other arms out there that bridge the price gap. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnkyboy Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 RRO designs are usually good, it's their Quality Control and Customer Service that is a joke. Just look at the picture you posted. Image Not Found A company that makes a product should be able to make that product exactly the same time and time again like a cookie cutter. The arms in the pic should be a mirror image of each other but, they are not. I've experienced this first hand with their drop brackets. Poor quality control. Having to alter somthing that is made specifically for your truck is not what you pay for. They may have a Lifetime warranty but good luck trying to make them honor it. Search the web and you'll find alot of the same stories about them. Their negative feedback was so bad on Ebay, that they closed the account and opened a new account. what year tj upper control arms to look for? does it matter what size motor? if i can find a pair cheap enough ill change mine. i really sick of the poly urathane bushings in stock control arms! 97-06. Not sure on the Rubi's and unlimiteds though, but all others should be the same. :cheers: I'm guessing you have never been in a smaller production facility. your cookie cutter doesnt exist. I have worked in facilities that build similiar type products,the parts are close but no two are exactly the same we are not talking about a major corporation most of these lift kits are put together in jigs by hand and welded by hand there are going to be minor variances. its not like they have machines and robot welders pumping out 10,000 MJ/XJ control arms every day. Its not uncommon to have a part require a little extra to fit correctly especially non OEM parts. here's a link to RRO's ebay profile http://myworld.ebay.com/ebaymotors/rock ... tters_4x4/ , i don't know what happened in the past but they have a pretty good score and alot of positive feed back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 I've never bought anything from them simply because of their website. It pi$$es me off. Maybe their products are okay, but they badmouth other designs/approaches that disagree with theirs - no need for that. Too much word smithing. I figure if their products are good, they will speak for themselves via feedback from their customers. In any event if you like their stuff, go for it, and provide feedback. And I agree w. mfpdm. Doesn't take big $$ to make conforming products. The pic makes it look like some dude is making these arms in their garage. If you can eyeball differences, it doesn't give me warm fuzzies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnkyboy Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 their website is a little wierd they seem like a pretty small company. they could have a guy making the parts in his garage,ive seen some good stuff come out of peoples garages. I'm not going to not consider a part just because it doesnt look large scale mass produced. I get stuff in the shop all the time from major corporations where things don't line up quite right. I have an RRO 5" lift on my truck right now,its my daily driver ive had the lift on it for over a year. i have yet to have a single incident. everything i got from them was well built and fit correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfpdm Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 I'm guessing you have never been in a smaller production facility. your cookie cutter doesnt exist.I have worked in facilities that build similiar type products,the parts are close but no two are exactly the same we are not talking about a major corporation most of these lift kits are put together in jigs by hand and welded by hand there are going to be minor variances. its not like they have machines and robot welders pumping out 10,000 MJ/XJ control arms every day. Its not uncommon to have a part require a little extra to fit correctly especially non OEM parts. here's a link to RRO's ebay profile http://myworld.ebay.com/ebaymotors/rock ... tters_4x4/ , i don't know what happened in the past but they have a pretty good score and alot of positive feed back. Even small facilities have standards. I'll agree that they will not be exactly identical but they should be within a close tolerance. When the parts don't meet the tolerance, they go in the scrap pile, not the waiting shipment shelf. When a item you make can't even be installed using the hardware you provide with it, something is wrong. Don't advertise a direct fit if a part requires a little extra to fit correctly. And yes that is RRO's new account. Here is the link to their old account that they had locked until Ebay told them to open it or not be able to sell anymore. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... TQ:US:1183 You'll notice a big difference in the volume of stuff they use to sell. Page through the feedbacks and you'll find it hard to find a page without negative feedback. I try not to get too personnal with these things but this company lied to my face, sent me parts that were not set to any standards of quality with missing and incorrect hardware, and then lied in their response to my feedback I left them. If they closed their doors tomorrow, they would not be missed by the offroading community. I'm done. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnkyboy Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 I know weve been through this before on another thread. we have had opposite experiences with them, they were slow to ship my order but other then that everything has been fine. even when i called them they were friendly and helpful. kinda sucks with what happened with your drop brackets,i was thinking of buying the same ones when i read your build. still might if i don't build some long arms or my own drop brackets. looking at their new ebay account it seems they have realized some issue and are working on it. they are like 97% positive now. as far as i can tell aside from a few cases their products are great,even some poeple that left negative feedback had good things to say about the parts they recieved. the problems were usually customer service and slow shipping, i wonder if anyone here has delt with them recently? I bought my stuff a little over a year ago and had no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEAD_NOT_FOLLOW Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 I see one thing I likee - it's greasable. I like to be able to grease moving mechanisms. :D However the bushings are Poly. Poly and control arm bushings in my opinion do not go together. The "expensive" one's use a rubber bushing with a metal sleeve and ride/function much better IMHO. Look into Rock Krawler. Adjustable, made from SOLID STOCK, has a Krawler Joint (flex joint), and a lifetime warranty. Plus if you ever get inchitus you'll not have to replace them with something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knever3 Posted December 26, 2009 Author Share Posted December 26, 2009 With 3'' or less your stock LCAs and UCAs will work fine for you. Caster will change as Pete states, but this can be easily corrected back to spec by installing factory shims behind the LCAs. It took a 4mm shim on each side for me. About $2 from the dealer. I am having trouble picturing these shim locations :hmm: I have worked on a few during my days as an alignment tech, but not every Jeep had these adjustable holes for the bolts. Only Grand Cherokees have these adjustable holes for adding shims. Can you post a picture of yours so I can see what you mean? I would like to get the WJ control arms and install these shims as you mention. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Warrior Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 The front lowers have cam bolts to dial in Caster: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 No pics, but the below link explains it. The slotted hole is in the front uniframe LCA main bolt. I just loostened the 1/2" bolt at the LCA clevis at the rear of the arm, pried the LCA forward w. a hefty flatblade screwdriver, then inserted a 4mm shim doing one side at a time, retighten, then check the caster w. an angle finder. "The main bolt is in a slotted hole and will move forward as you jack the front as shown." http://gojeep.willyshotrod.com/HowtoAlignment.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knever3 Posted December 27, 2009 Author Share Posted December 27, 2009 I took a look this morning and I remember what they looked like. The OE bolts aren't the adjustable ones, you have to buy those. I will have to elongate my holes in the body to make them slide forward more. In the past I have never gotten them to move on other jeeps because the bolts are so corroded and the plates are frozen in place. Not to mention the bushings are always froze up to the bolts. Thanks for the pic and the feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Warrior Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Hmm, did not realize the MJ did not have the cam bolts. Learn something new everyday. The few, stock, +03 TJ's (including mine) has them on the axle end of the front LCA. FWIW, they are very expensive to replace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knever3 Posted December 27, 2009 Author Share Posted December 27, 2009 FWIW, they are very expensive to replace... Yeah, I remember working for Belle Tire as an alignment tech that they were around $50 a set retail, although if you can find someone that will buy them for cost all the better!! There are some problems with the bolts though. I have used sets like these and you have to tighten the out of the bolts so they don't swivel back and loosen up. I have done just that and they still work themselves loose with hitting potholes and such. (You wanna see death wobble now!!!) I would recommend either putting shims in back of the mounting brackets or using adjustable LCA's. I know they are expensive, but with a lift and off road use it's just the right thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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