Who would win?

[shelbyluvv]

If you could get the car to 2000 lbs which you should be able to do with a CRX or hatch you should only need 345-350 HP to touch the 10's.

 

if you could keep everything tuned just right the engine should hold,forged internals are only insurance for when things go wrong.

 

maybe saying 10s was going a bit far,although it could happen under the right conditions. 11s-12s would be more realistic,but still only short term on the stock engine.

 

I have the dyno sheet for my car. It has 348 HP and 423 TQ at the wheels. I have also weighed my car. At the time it was 2477 with driver. I run a 11.46 with this setup.

 

My first love, before I found the world of Jeeps, was the FWD Turbo Dodges from the 80's. Hence the user name, Shelbyluvv. I have built and blown up more 4 poppers in the last 16 years than I care to count. I would love to see the dyno map of a 10 second Honda. I doubt IMHO that it only has 350 ponies. 400+ is more like it.

 

EDIT: I just found a dyno sheet for HONDATA. He supposedly ran a 10.71 with 268 WHP. But get this...

 

10,800 red line!!! Holy crap! I red line at 5500 RPM. How is this possible on a 4 stroke engine? Rotary sure, a normal engine? I am truly impressed.

[Dave Stark]

EDIT: I just found a dyno sheet for HONDATA. He supposedly ran a 10.71 with 268 WHP. But get this...

 

10,800 red line!!! Holy crap! I red line at 5500 RPM. How is this possible on a 4 stroke engine? Rotary sure, a normal engine? I am truly impressed.

 

 

My dirt stock Hyundai has a red line of 7500 RPM. So, i imagine a little tuning could have it go bit higher. Anyone want to "tune" a Hyundai?... Not likely. :rotfl2:

[mnkyboy]

Ive always liked the 80's turbo dodges although ive never owned one,being a Ford guy i got into 80's escorts/EXPs instead.

 

 

crazy high RPM from modern 4cyls is pretty common now days. IIRC a 2.2L dodge is an 8 valve push rod motor, thats alot of wieght to get spinning,not really ideal for revving but great for torque. :thumbsup:

 

you get these modern engines with small displacement,multiple overhead cams, and multiple valves there is less reciprocating wieght allowing them to rev like crazy. they are getting to be more and more like sport bike engines.

 

that D16 is a single cam 1600cc so it would rev pretty good but in japan they offer that engine as a twin cam,you can bolt the head on a US D series and really make it scream.

[shelbyluvv]

Ive always liked the 80's turbo dodges although ive never owned one,being a Ford guy i got into 80's escorts/EXPs instead.

 

 

crazy high RPM from modern 4cyls is pretty common now days. IIRC a 2.2L dodge is an 8 valve push rod motor, thats alot of wieght to get spinning,not really ideal for revving but great for torque. :thumbsup:

 

you get these modern engines with small displacement,multiple overhead cams, and multiple valves there is less reciprocating wieght allowing them to rev like crazy. they are getting to be more and more like sport bike engines.

 

that D16 is a single cam 1600cc so it would rev pretty good but in japan they offer that engine as a twin cam,you can bolt the head on a US D series and really make it scream.

 

The 2.2 is OHC with slider rockers between the cam and valves. They went to the roller type rockers later on, in the common block. You could also get a DOHC 2.2 in the Spirit R/T, Daytona R/T, or the Ultra Rare Maserati TC. If you go to Mexico almost all the FWD Dodges are DOHC 2.2 or 2.5s. It is pretty easy to make a 2.4 Neon head work on a 2.2 as well.

 

I would scatter my bottom end it I tried to hit 10K RPM. I am impressed by that. It explains how imports are pulling the times that they are with such little HP and TQ.

[dasbulliwagen]

Every 4 cyl Ive seen run, be it a bike or a car, when getting off the line at the strip will immeadiately bog on the starting line and take who knows how long before it actually gets up and goes. Their problem is no low end torque. Many of the ricers have the idea that its not torque that wins races, its horsepower... but to me that doesnt make much sense if you can't get the car/bike going to begin with. The Comanche has torque on its side, and if you can get off the line first, you have a good chance of getting him in the 8th.

[shelbyluvv]

See my HP and TQ numbers. That is on a 4 cylinder. It is a MOPAR 2.2 turbo. The 2.2 makes a lot of TQ. It is actually very difficult to launch a FWD Mope. They tend to boil the hides way too easy. If you do get them to hook hard out of the hole. You will either snap a axle shaft or send the diff through the case. I have a couple trannies laying around with new inspection ports in them, lol!

[mnkyboy]

 

The 2.2 is OHC with slider rockers between the cam and valves. They went to the roller type rockers later on, in the common block. You could also get a DOHC 2.2 in the Spirit R/T, Daytona R/T, or the Ultra Rare Maserati TC. If you go to Mexico almost all the FWD Dodges are DOHC 2.2 or 2.5s. It is pretty easy to make a 2.4 Neon head work on a 2.2 as well.

 

I would scatter my bottom end it I tried to hit 10K RPM. I am impressed by that. It explains how imports are pulling the times that they are with such little HP and TQ.

 

 

 

I must have had a brain fart,i knew they were OHC,there is a 2.5L turbo acclaim sitting in my drive way with the head off.

:doh:

also the M4s is one of my favorite dream cars it was 2.2L DOHC and twin turbo.

[Joop]

So? When are you gonna race him? :popcorn:

 

I see a lot of people talking about 2-3-4-500 hp hondas in this thread, but where are the 4wd stroker jeeps? I can't live with this forever, someone need to make a statement!!! Hornbrod? Can I make a bet on you?? :cheers:

[HOrnbrod]

So? When are you gonna race him? :popcorn:

Probably never.

 

I see a lot of people talking about 2-3-4-500 hp hondas in this thread, but where are the 4wd stroker jeeps? I can't live with this forever, someone need to make a statement!!! Hornbrod? Can I make a bet on you?? :cheers:

You sure can Joop. For that rolling Honda Bondo advertisement, no problemo in the 1/8 or the 1/4, but for a 400-500HP Honda in the quarter? Might have to remove the camper shell topper for that and hope I don't snap another axle. :D

[Eagle]

my brother had a 93 XJ 2wd 4.0L/aw4 and was constently street racing the neighborhood kids,it had no trouble against the average riced out civic

The XJ has all that glass and the very heavy fiberglass hatch over the back wheels to help the tires keep adhesion. The MJ has comparatively no weight over the rear wheels. Same reason an XJ is better than an MJ in snow.

[HOrnbrod]

The XJ has all that glass and the very heavy fiberglass hatch over the back wheels to help the tires keep adhesion. The MJ has comparatively no weight over the rear wheels. Same reason an XJ is better than an MJ in snow.

 

Hmm, maybe I'll keep the fiberglass camper shell on then. :rotfl2:

 

And change the rear wheels. The BFG MTs break loose real easy even w. the AW4.

[mnkyboy]

a gas pedal is not an on/off switch,with a little throttle control the truck will launch fine. i would bet if you ran an MJ and XJ on a track the results would be close.

 

 

I have a Chevy luv stepside with a built 3.8L Buick,it has tons of torque. It can smoke the tires at will and is MUCH lighter in the rear then an MJ.

after adjusting to it i didnt run accross much that could take it off the line.

[Joop]

That what i like. Hornbrod have dyno tested the steps of his engine build! Give me the specs of that honda??????

[mnkyboy]

If he really has nitrous its probably a 50-75 shot which would put it high 9s 1/8th and low 15s 1/4 mile

 

if not low 11s 1/8th and low 17s 1/4 mile

 

for comparison a 4.0L HO MJ should be mid 10s 1/8th and mid 16s 1/4

 

now this is just on paper, the numbers will vary a little in real life but are usually fairly accurate.

 

 

as far as i can tell hornbrod should be able to beat him even with the nitrous.

[HOrnbrod]

If he really has nitrous its probably a 50-75 shot which would put it high 9s 1/8th and low 15s 1/4 mile

 

if not low 11s 1/8th and low 17s 1/4 mile

 

for comparison the MJ should be mid 10s 1/8th and mid 16s 1/4

 

now this is just on paper, the numbers will vary a little in real life but are usually fairly accurate.

 

If. If. If. Much ado about nothing............

[XJcoupe]

manche all the way, only because I have a fellow worker, has a stock civic 1.6, he lost big time to my XJ on 33s/307 gears, his excuss was- he put too big of a coffee can on his ricer.

 

now if you wanna see the little $#!& freek- tie a long tie-strap, onto the inside of 1 of his front shafts, when he is not looking, go race, he will stop real quik, if it doesnt drive him crazy 1st trying to figure out whats wrong with his ricer-haha