88pioneer Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Just double checking that if i throw spacers an a shackle on my manche that i won't need bigger shocks, i'm pretty sure i don't but just making sure before i go ahead and buy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geonovast Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 How big of a lift? About an inch you shouldn't need anything other than a toe alignment and to re-center your steering wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pioneer Posted October 22, 2009 Author Share Posted October 22, 2009 the daystar kit on HC's website, think its 1 3/4 spacer an an extended shackle, but i think i might just go with a spacer up front to level it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akamcbird Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 while were on the subject of budget boost... ive got shackles and coil bushings from a manche i parted, and am thinking about tossn them under my brother in laws 97 xj. should i expect any complications in the install? (rear springs are a bit sagged, hopen to level it out a bit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 the daystar kit on HC's website, think its 1 3/4 spacer an an extended shackle, but i think i might just go with a spacer up front to level it out Daystar has a budget boost for a Comanche? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 while were on the subject of budget boost... ive got shackles and coil bushings from a manche i parted, and am thinking about tossn them under my brother in laws 97 xj. should i expect any complications in the install? (rear springs are a bit sagged, hopen to level it out a bit) shackles might make it worse. Look into the AALs that hellcreek is making. They fix the sag. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 It looks like they sell the same Daystar kit for both the XJ and MJ. But MJ shackles are longer than XJ, so I wouldn't expect any (certainly not much) lift out of that kit at the rear of an MJ. I'm with Pete. A full-length AAL is definitely the way to address sagging rear springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pioneer Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 my leaf springs are still good, and i wasnt looking for too much lift in the rear, more of a leveling kit, motion has shackles that ill give about an inch in the rear so it should give me a little lift in the rear while leveling out the front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 my leaf springs are still good, and i wasnt looking for too much lift in the rear, more of a leveling kit, that is exactly what hellcreek's new AAL is for. more support without lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncgamedog Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 could you find a hole-to-hole measurement on the shackles? rule of thumb is for every 2" longer shackle you can expect an 1" of lift... If the chevy style shackles work...there are some nice ones offered by ORD (Offroad Design) and DIY4X. I would like to know on the hole-to-hole measurement for the daystar's b/c I might go the same route for now. Here are a few links: http://diy4x.com/cart/index.php?route=p ... uct_id=113 http://offroaddesign.com/catalog/hdREARshackles.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncgamedog Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 was it ever decided if longer shocks were in order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pioneer Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 i've been looking for the add a leaves on hc an have only found ones for cherokees, nothing for mj's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 stock shocks "should" work ok for under 2" of lift. for the AAL, see his post in our classifieds: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellCreek Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 It looks like they sell the same Daystar kit for both the XJ and MJ. But MJ shackles are longer than XJ, so I wouldn't expect any (certainly not much) lift out of that kit at the rear of an MJ. I'm with Pete. A full-length AAL is definitely the way to address sagging rear springs. I just checked with Daystar on this, and they have discontinued this kit for the MJs and changed the part number from KJ09106 to KJ09105 for just the Cherokees. While the spacers would work to lift the front of our Comanches, Eagle is correct that the shackles would do little, if anything, to lift the rear. It looks like we will have to change our website again. Sorry :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pioneer Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 I think i'm going to go with new shocks, and i've also been seeing shock mount conversions like this, an i figured if i do this that i should be able to use rear mj shocks on the front as they will mount the same as the rear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geonovast Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 You might wanna take a closer look how the top of the front shock mounts to the body :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellCreek Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 i've been looking for the add a leaves on hc an have only found ones for cherokees, nothing for mj's Our website has just been updated. We have removed the MJ listing from the shackle kit, added the 3/4" and 1-3/4" front Daystar coil spacer kits for the front and added our MJ add-a-leaves. We have also added a notation that all kits on our website that are designated "RC" are Rough Country kits, so there is no confusion. Thanks, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pioneer Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 no, i know how they mount to the top as i just did the shocks on it and on my cherokee, those are for the bottom where they attach to the axle, these are for the top where they go through the wheel well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akamcbird Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 sorry to hijack. :dunce: my query was a bit too far off topic. but... while were on the subject of budget boost... ive got shackles and coil bushings from a manche i parted, and am thinking about tossn them under my brother in laws 97 xj. should i expect any complications in the install? (rear springs are a bit sagged, hopen to level it out a bit) shackles might make it worse. Look into the AALs that hellcreek is making. They fix the sag. :thumbsup: Pete please elaborate. if i have an xj with a saggy rear a bb kit that utilizes shackles would make problems worse? pm me if I'm out of line with this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 As I understand it, the longer shackles put more leverage on the leafs (in regards to spring wrap) and can increase sag over time. A shackle should be matched to the leaf packs (as they do from the factory), not used to add height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 As I understand it, the longer shackles put more leverage on the leafs (in regards to spring wrap) and can increase sag over time. A shackle should be matched to the leaf packs (as they do from the factory), not used to add height. Pete is correct. Trying to gain lift using longer shackles is an EXCELLENT way to kill your spring pack. It looks cheap in the short term, but it becomes more expensive very quickly when you have to replace or rebuild the whole spring pack because you tried to save a few bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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