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I have had a rough idle with a misfire the last month and am looking for direction. I have a renix stroker with 99 intake and bored throttle body. Of course this cold start sounded normal, but I didn't let it run long to warm up. My wideband O2 sensor is going bad again. I replaced it once already so kind of mad about paying another $100 just to measure A/F ratio while driving. My TPS looks suspicious and my fuel trims look off. Let me know what you think of the short video.

 

Ok don't know how to post a video, so I will post a link.

 

 

 

 

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This is after it warmed up. The blue display is my dead wideband O2 so pay no attention. The TPS still isn't right and I've tried to adjust it a few times and can't get the proper voltages. I have that janky Hesco renix to new style adapter and if you notice it looks like it's sticking so the idle won't come down.



Should have gone OBD1

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It does seem like you have two different TPS(V)(%) settings. Sticking/binding somewhere.

 

Your ST fuel trim is bouncing above and below 128. Normal. LT fuel trim (141) is high, but your INJ PW=4.1mS is low, so I’m going to assume it just the type of injectors you’re running with. All of this is within the range of authority for the ECU.
 

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What's going wrong with your wideband? Just the O2 sensor or the unit itself? 
I believe so, the last time it went full lean like it shows I replaced the O2 sensor and it worked for a year or so. I called zeitronics and talked with the tech and verified and bought it from them again. I thought about buying a REM to put above my display to get more info instead of using the MT2500 at times. I don't know if it's getting water in it or what.

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I measured the ground from B to battery ground and got 0.4 ohms. Perfect I measured the reference voltage from A to B and got 4.863V. Between B and C my Output voltage was .827 Volts. So 4.863x0.17 is 0.826V. Perfect so I didn't change or adjust the TPS. I still can't figure out why my MAP vacuum is low. It has a rubber line from the intake to the MAP. It doesn't have a leak so now what? It idles better in warmer weather for sure.



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I have 21lb/hr injectors if I remember correctly. I tried 24lb Ford injectors and that was too much. It would pull fuel all the time and run super rich. I have a '95 fuel rail and FPR as well. 99 intake BBS 62mm throttle body. Bored .60 over 4.2 crank 4.0 rods.

I measured the ground circuit to battery and got 0.4ohms. The voltage was 5.02V with ignition on. I replaced the vacuum line with Cruisers elbows and line from the port under the throttle body this time. No change in voltage on the mt2500. I measured the engine vacuum with a analog gauge and it read 18". So do I just have a bad map sensor?





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3 hours ago, knever3 said:

So do I just have a bad map sensor?

Your MAP sensor looks good on this recording. On a previous recording MAN VAC showed 20+”Hg @ idle. 18.4”Hg @ idle is typical MAN VAC, verified with your analog gauge.

 

 

 

On 3/15/2022 at 9:23 AM, cruiser54 said:

Also, if the hose from MAP to throttle body doesn't "cascade" and has low spots, that can cause issues.

That new MAP line routing has a dip in it at the MAP sensor itself. You might not want that elbow there.

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What is my MAP supposed to read anyway?  I would expect it to read the same as manifold vacuum since that is what it uses to forward the value to the computer to determine length pulse to the injectors.  I just did the mileage calculation not using my remote start and I went 200 miles on a tank of gas with 18.4 gallons, that equates to 11.9MPG!  That sucks, especially with gas at $4.69 for premium.  I had the Fuelly App on my phone and I thought it used to be somewhere around 14.7MPG, not that makes much of a difference.

 

 

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6 hours ago, knever3 said:

What is my MAP supposed to read anyway?

 

Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP)

 

Both BARO_PRES and MAP values are displayed using a absolute scale since that what the MAP sensor deals in. MAN_VAC value is calculated and displayed using a gauge scale, same as a vacuum gauge one would carry in their toolbox.

 

MT2500/DRB/REM uses the following formula to display MAN_VAC:
(BARO_PRES)-(MAP)=MAN_VAC.

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