JeepcoMJ Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 what's a good 6.5" lift for a comanche? I'm lookin for one for the 89 that I'm getting, and would honestly like to NOT go SOA if i can avoid it. any kits out there with rear springs? this thing has a stock dana 44 rear end and already has 4.10 gears and a 5 speed, cruise, tilt, vent windows, split rear, bench seat, external slave, np231 tcase, skid plate package, and tow hitch package. so basically all I feel it needs is a 6.5" lift (i don't want to trim anything...but if i do it will be a rusty's 4.5" rear spring setup and RE front with 4 tj rear flares) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 What size/brand tires were you looking to run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted May 23, 2007 Author Share Posted May 23, 2007 33's, but I want alot of space in the wheel wells...i don't want them hugged up tight and rubbing. i know a 4.5" lift would work for that...but a 6.5 will allow for bigger tires in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed_racer Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Can I ask you why you wouldnt wanna go SOA? Rides better.. flexes better... Oh, and more ground clearance... What gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted May 23, 2007 Author Share Posted May 23, 2007 Can I ask you why you wouldnt wanna go SOA? Rides better.. flexes better... Oh, and more ground clearance... What gives? a few reasons.. i don't want to weld and have my perch angles and pinion angle screwed up. SOA doesn't really offer much more ground clearance...just on the outside of the axle as the pumpkin still hangs down bolt-on is easier my insurance won't cover it when I wheel it unless it's a bolt-on part (they don't trust my welding :( ) stock springs generally suck too...but i want these springs for my 86 3800 comanche to replace the 2wd rear springs with the AAL in it (1.5" shackle on it will bring it overall to 3" lift) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 SOA doesn't really offer much more ground clearance...just on the outside of the axle as the pumpkin still hangs down Well. Yes and no. I'll agree you don't gain any clearance under the good ol' pumpkin - but that's what a psycho with a sawzall is for. But the clearance gained over the tubes is well worth it. I don't care if it's a mud truck, or a rock crawler. It is a noticeable gain in clearance in both that you don't ride on the leaf springs, or snag the plates/shock mounts. The reality is that when 4-wheeling, unless you're some type of god or taking it easy, things are going to bottom out/snag up. The entire idea is to minimize the number of things that do; which increases the chances that you'll just slide on by with whatever is snagging. And stock leaves are great once you build the pack up a bit... (extra MJ main, or a S-10 or dakota should work out) Image Not Found That's not anywhere near lifting a tire. I gotta try it out with the revised shock mounts though, it should do even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted May 23, 2007 Author Share Posted May 23, 2007 :P tell my insurance company that...maybe they'll listen to you? jerks won't insure anything unless it's proven aftermarket parts made in a factory. they don't insure wheel spaced vehicles either...so i can't even put an 8.8 in my truck really...(they'll never know though ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Oh, you don't want to know how many things are 'wrong' with mine. But, it doesn't void my insurance. If your insurance company is such that they void you for a violation - find another insurer, or consider another hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oizarod115 Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 :dunno: you can't have a certified shop burn your perches on? or buy an axle that is already SOA and then weld the perches where you need them and paint it back to look factory? that'd work like a XJ44 just lie and tell them it was factory like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted May 23, 2007 Author Share Posted May 23, 2007 it's already got an mj dana 44. i flat out don't want SOA, it's too much hassle....and if i can't get 6.5" rear springs, i'm getting some rusty's 4.5" rear springs, and a 6.5" front lift from RE. i don't want SOA, i don't want to deal with it, my insurance doesn't want to deal with customized stuff (this is the only insurance company that will currently take me...3 tickets in 1 year. sucks cause i don't usually speed), and i just want the simplicity of bolt-on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudrunt Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 If you don't wanna do spring over then do the rustys 4.5 and get some 2 inch shackles. then you will have a bolt on 6.5. I personally would do rustys all the way around but thats me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudrunt Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 if you want simplicity of bolt on then here you go......http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6-5-Roug ... enameZWD1V or you can do....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep-Com ... enameZWDVW they also offer a 6.5 inch bolt on spring over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted May 23, 2007 Author Share Posted May 23, 2007 the first one is an AAL kit, and the point is to stay away from those...they suck. shoulda specified that earlier. second one is one SHODDY example of a lift system. the only good thing about it is the OME coils springs. it doesn't even come with control arms, while it does come with a mj prop. valve extension :nuts: RE lift is the way i'll go, springs, adjustible CA's, trackbar, i'll make my own swaybar discos, brake lines, and i'll do my own e-brake line extensions. prolly drop the t-case 1" just cause i can, and i'll reinforce the crossmember then too. the rear will be rusty's 4.5". 89eliminator has a 6.5" front and 4.5" rear and the truck sits level...so i'll do that and if it's low, make some shackles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 I would recommend a 4.5" lift kit and some 32" tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feerocknok Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 the rear will be rusty's 4.5". 89eliminator has a 6.5" front and 4.5" rear and the truck sits level...so i'll do that and if it's low, make some shackles Yeah, I was gonna suggest Rusty's and some shackles. You oughta try out some Chevy leaves. MJ leaf springs are I think 56", 31" in one direction of the center bolt and 25" in the other. Chevy springs are 31" and 31", so they should fit if you just drill out a new hole in our ever-so-long front spring hangers. Haven't tried it yet, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't! And as Scott said, just cause your diff is hanging down doesn't mean anything else should be. I drag my Toy's axle tubes everywhere. I'd convert the Manche to SOA if I needed the lift just because of clearance issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisty Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 I thought SOA was easy...I pulled the axled, welded it up, painted it, and put it back in only a few hours. Unless you get Rusty's leaves like the ones CW has, it seems that 6.5" is VERY hard to get while staying SOA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oizarod115 Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 just cause your diff is hanging down doesn't mean anything else should be. I drag my Toy's axle tubes everywhere that is a picture of a bent shock mount and messed up spring mount plate because it hung down past the tube and got smashed on some rocks last night. my 2cents is still on SOA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed_racer Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 ill still say soa, no matter how bad you argue it, doesnt rustys sell a "bolt on" soa kit?! Seems you could shave it down some, and have better clearance than SUA, not to mention the other benefits, oh, and it meets your parameters, bolt on!! Does your ins. company really watch ur rig that carefully?! Does anybody honestly report accidents in their jeeps to insurance? I damn sure wouldnt. Which would be why i only carry BIP/Liab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Rocky Road sells the spring over kit and its only for a D35 right now. Looks like a nice setup, but it doesnt offer any more axle clearance then staying SUA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feerocknok Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Rocky Road sells the spring over kit and its only for a D35 right now. Looks like a nice setup, but it doesnt offer any more axle clearance then staying SUA. Shocks and U-Bolt plates are moved up, so it helps a lil, but you do still have your spring perches down low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted May 24, 2007 Author Share Posted May 24, 2007 I'm making my own shock mounts and using u-bolts and a flat plate of 1/4" steel to bolt the axle down, that will allow for a couple inches more of clearance. *shrug* if i don't like it, i'll just SOA it later, it's not like i don't have a bunch of good stock springs to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted May 24, 2007 Author Share Posted May 24, 2007 Does your ins. company really watch ur rig that carefully?! Does anybody honestly report accidents in their jeeps to insurance? I damn sure wouldnt. Which would be why i only carry BIP/Liab. i'm not reporting it if i get in an accident, i'm worried about what the OTHER person would do. should someone else report it, i'd be screwed. and yes, if there were any potential reason that my rig had suspension failure...they'd look. I'll see what I can do SUA, i can always adapt it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 I hear what you are saying about the liability factor with the insurance company. I am sure they would not look into weather or not your vegicle came SOA, or SUA unless your rear axle fell out your vehicle and caused an accident. If you are truly worried about that.. break out the sawzall, and make it fit the 33's with 2" of lift like I did back in the day Granted I had no uptravel, and the bed needed some more trimming, but it worked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted May 24, 2007 Author Share Posted May 24, 2007 :P i'm a clean bodyline person...i DON'T cut out fenders unless it's a complete junker. the only other way i'll do it is if i get 2 more tj rear flares so i can reflare it all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudrunt Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 even if its not complete junk cut them for now and buy new ones down the road. I just bought two brand new fenders for mine for $60 and painted, installed, and cut away on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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