carnuck Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 and in post #54, were do u suppose he got that top mount for the u bolts Looks like XJ or Eagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser54 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Thanks for clarifying all this carnuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Thanks for clarifying all this carnuck. :agree: I though they were from a Saab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaine Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 any way of checking the ratio without pulling the cover off, IF there is not tag Yes, by counting drive shaft revolutions. But: and what year,make and model did the dana 44 come in? cause i converted my truck to 4wd, from a 86 pioneer IIRC Start at the beginning. Your truck was originally a 2WD. What year, what engine, what transmission? Then you converted it to 4WD. Did you swap both the front and rear axles, or only the front? Are we to understand that you swapped in one or both axles without even knowing what ratio the gears are? What year truck did the "new" axle or axles come out of, what engine did it have, and what transmission? And then we need to know where you want to go with it. If you have to weld new spring perches for the rear axle, the new perches have to be positioned correctly to establish the pinion angle. A few posts above, you asked that that should be. The answer is "It depends." It depends on how much lift you will have, because the amount of lift affects the angle of the drive shaft in the chassis. The spring perch location and pinion angle would be different if you're going to stay at stock height than if you're going to go a SOA conversion. my truck is an 87, 4.0 inl 6 2wd. the donor truck was a pioneer. don't recall what year it was. it had same engine 4.0 i swapped both axles and transmission, yea w/out knowing ratio's. at the time i wasnt concerned on what ratio's i got as long as they matched. seeing i were using the original axles from the same truck. I'm not sure what trans i got from the donor, but i think its a 231 cause i have the 2hi, 4hi and 4 low. are there marks on the tranny that i could check. also my t-case is from an xj so don't know if the tag on that will match the trans no luck on the tags, they were gone. so will pull the cover and check. and how do go about making sure the pinion angles is correct, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue88Comanche Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 any way of checking the ratio without pulling the cover off, IF there is not tag Yes, by counting drive shaft revolutions. But: and what year,make and model did the dana 44 come in? cause i converted my truck to 4wd, from a 86 pioneer IIRC Start at the beginning. Your truck was originally a 2WD. What year, what engine, what transmission? Then you converted it to 4WD. Did you swap both the front and rear axles, or only the front? Are we to understand that you swapped in one or both axles without even knowing what ratio the gears are? What year truck did the "new" axle or axles come out of, what engine did it have, and what transmission? And then we need to know where you want to go with it. If you have to weld new spring perches for the rear axle, the new perches have to be positioned correctly to establish the pinion angle. A few posts above, you asked that that should be. The answer is "It depends." It depends on how much lift you will have, because the amount of lift affects the angle of the drive shaft in the chassis. The spring perch location and pinion angle would be different if you're going to stay at stock height than if you're going to go a SOA conversion. my truck is an 87, 4.0 inl 6 2wd. the donor truck was a pioneer. don't recall what year it was. it had same engine 4.0 i swapped both axles and transmission, yea w/out knowing ratio's. at the time i wasnt concerned on what ratio's i got as long as they matched. seeing i were using the original axles from the same truck. I'm not sure what trans i got from the donor, but i think its a 231 cause i have the 2hi, 4hi and 4 low. are there marks on the tranny that i could check. also my t-case is from an xj so don't know if the tag on that will match the trans no luck on the tags, they were gone. so will pull the cover and check. and how do go about making sure the pinion angles is correct, auto or manual transmission? "I'm not sure what trans i got from the donor, but i think its a 231 cause i have the 2hi, 4hi and 4 low. are there marks on the tranny that i could check. also my t-case is from an xj so don't know if the tag on that will match the trans" what? That TC sounds like a NP231. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaine Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 its an auto. and does the NP 231 only go for the t-case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Knowing the year,engine, and Tranny of the donor should narrow down the gear ratio. If it is a 4.0 auto they should be 3.55's, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaine Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 I'm started to lean towards that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incommando Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 About the spring perches: Rusty's and many others sell a longer spring perch to help stop spring wrap. It should be fine just make sure you get the proper axle tube diameter for whatever axle you use. http://www.barnes4wd.com/Anti-Wrap-Leaf-Spring-Perches_c_36.html As a SOA requires welding it would be easier to get shock mounts and just weld them on then modify the old spring plates to make them work. New mounts are $14. http://www.barnes4wd.com/Bent-Axle-Shock-Bracket-Pair_p_74.html The auto used in the MJ/XJ was the AW4. The transfer case in the MJ was the 231 while the XJ could have a 231 or 242. You know you have a 231 already. If the donor was a 4.0/AW4 (auto) then yes the ratios should be 3.55 unless they have been changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaine Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 "The auto used in the MJ/XJ was the AW4" huh? i didnt think mine was this seeing it had the 2hi ok first which is which: Part Time has 2hi or Full Time. which one is considered the AW4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I think you should start reading (and comprehending) some of the build threads here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 "The auto used in the MJ/XJ was the AW4" huh? i didnt think mine was this seeing it had the 2hi ok first which is which: Part Time has 2hi or Full Time. which one is considered the AW4 HOW CAN YOU BE EVEN THINKING ABOUT WORKING ON A JEEP WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TRANSMISSION AND A TRANSFER CASE? GO TO BARNES & NOBLE, BUY A BOOK, AND READ IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue88Comanche Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 i would also click on the jeep in my signature and browse through the manuals I have on my skydrive available for download. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaine Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 Eagle get off my back. sorry i misunderstood him. aw4 is the model of tranny. Aisin Warner. i thought he meant ALL WHEEL DRIVE. thats why i was cought off guard. ill figure it on my own. sorry for the hastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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