STERLING STINGER Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 anyone got any tips on ucas or lcas if i got the 3"lift. so do i need longer ones? i want the lower ones to look nice the uppers can be anything thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddzz1 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I think 3 is about the limit where you can use stock CAs. I would get some adjustables or atleast some fixed after markets. I just ordered upper and lowers from hellcreek. If your interested I may have a set of fixed uppers from rubicon express in great shape and an adj trac bar from rubicon express for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STERLING STINGER Posted February 23, 2011 Author Share Posted February 23, 2011 I think 3 is about the limit where you can use stock CAs. I would get some adjustables or atleast some fixed after markets. I just ordered upper and lowers from hellcreek. If your interested I may have a set of fixed uppers from rubicon express in great shape and an adj trac bar from rubicon express for sale. yes :bowdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STERLING STINGER Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 any recs on a lca thatll give me a nicer ride? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 nicer ride? how would they do that? I guess rubber bushings would be nicer than the more modern replacements. but ride is not generally dictated by the control arms themselves, but rather the angle of said arms, the spring rate of the coils, and the price of the shocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STERLING STINGER Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 so then, everything in the suspension and steering is brand new moog.... i just need new ucas....stock or upgrade and lcas also...but i thought i can get like a ..gas ride shock... sort of lca for a better ride. and if I'm wrong...i can't change the legnth can i everything will be outta whack then...right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 but i thought i can get like a ..gas ride shock... sort of lca for a better ride. I'm so confused by this statement. :hmm: gas shocks are indeed better shocks and will generally have a better ride. the control arm length will affect steering and where your tire is in the wheelwell, but getting control arms that are 1/4" or 1/2" longer than stock (meaning they would be correct for a small lift) is not going to change the ride in any significant way. It's all about the angle of the arms. The steeper the angle, the more you will feel bumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Warrior Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Pete is right, the flatter the arm angle the better. That's why long armed rigs generally ride soother than short. With that said, I switched from Rubicon Express superflex arms to JKS and noticed a dramatic change in ride with my TJ. I am approaching 5 years with the JKS and have had no problems...and I wheel it hard. They utilize the factory rubber bushings at each end. Buy them used (I did) since they are high dollar. Some folks say it is my imagination, but I noticed a change. I would highly suggest adjustable uppers and lowers so you can get the wheelbase set perfect as well as the pinion angle/caster. The slightest harmonic driveline vibe will make it feel like it is rough riding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STERLING STINGER Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 man this is hard.... so, does it give me a better ride or not... i need them..its the last piece of the puzzle.. the front end puzzle I'm just gonna put stockies on it.. i have new bushings, but i wanted an upgrade.. waaaaah not crap oem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Warrior Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I think you would notice an improved ride with properly adjusted CAs over reusing the stockers. The design of the aftermarket arm may change ride characteristics, but only for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 or go with the upgrade of WJ arms. :brows: They are definitely better than stock MJ units. Hornbrod used them with his lift and says there is enough adjustment in the factory shims to accomodate a 3" lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddzz1 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 You should get some aftermarket CA's. Like I was saying in my PM, and like Pete has said, the angle is whats important. Lets say you have stock arms and no lift, your CA's will be angled like this --- but angled down a little more obviously. when using stock arms with a lift then end up like this / So when you hit bumps the axle tends to rotate back instead of up making the ride very rough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
91coMANche Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Ok so here is the breakdown: on the front if you get adjustable uppers you can point the pinion up and toward the transfercase. This should also give you better handling. Adjust the uppers toward the transfercase then point the pinion down 5*. You could get longer lowers in theory but it won't make a difference. Long arms wouldn't make any difference either. You just need some adjustable uppers (assuming all else is new) to compensate somewhat for your lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 or go with the upgrade of WJ arms. :brows: They are definitely better than stock MJ units. Hornbrod used them with his lift and says there is enough adjustment in the factory shims to accomodate a 3" lift. For a 3" or less lift, for sure use the WJ lower arms. The bigger oval bushings provide a super improvement in handling and no worries on tire rub at full lock turns. There is plenty of adjustment room to add additional factory shims at the rear of the arms. I used one additional factory 4mm shim on each side, p/n 52003976, and these brought the caster angle back to factory specs with my 3" lift. There's no need to mess with the uppers arms unless they are due for replacement. They usually are, so I did replace mine with new OEM units. Very easy to do and was verified w. my magnetic finder, then an alignment check by the local dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STERLING STINGER Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 or go with the upgrade of WJ arms. :brows: They are definitely better than stock MJ units. Hornbrod used them with his lift and says there is enough adjustment in the factory shims to accomodate a 3" lift. For a 3" or less lift, for sure use the WJ lower arms. The bigger oval bushings provide a super improvement in handling and no worries on tire rub at full lock turns. There is plenty of adjustment room to add additional factory shims at the rear of the arms. I used one additional factory 4mm shim on each side, p/n 52003976, and these brought the caster angle back to factory specs with my 3" lift. There's no need to mess with the uppers arms unless they are due for replacement. They usually are, so I did replace mine with new OEM units. Very easy to do and was verified w. my magnetic finder, then an alignment check by the local dealer. thanks alot I'm going with the wj lower arms and a oem for the upper which year wj lowers can i use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 any year WJ grand cherokee. 99-04 were the WJs I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 From any 99-04 Jeep® Grand Cherokee WJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 ® :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STERLING STINGER Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 spot on! now..do they sell cool looking ones? i know. :huh???: .but my mj is very shallow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnkyboy Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 They look cooler then stock arms,just tell your MJ that they are custom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 spot on!now..do they sell cool looking ones? i know. :huh???: .but my mj is very shallow They are cool. Plus curved, solid, and sexy.® I had mine chromed even. Plus the big oval bushings make your rig corner like a sports car. :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 just need to trim the steel bushings a hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STERLING STINGER Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 oooh me likey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STERLING STINGER Posted March 1, 2011 Author Share Posted March 1, 2011 just need to trim the steel bushings a hair.trim the bushings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 http://gojeep.willyshotrod.com/HowtoWJcontrolarms.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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